- From: John Arwe <johnarwe@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:59:57 -0400
- To: <public-sml@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <OF731B6758.1C22255E-ON85257340.00521AB0-85257340.00528503@us.ibm.com>
Absolutely Kirk, let's get things rolling in email first. Simple(r) stuff
that can be so resolved, is then "done" (ready for drafting, etc). In
more complex cases, we do what seems pragmatic via email and use the very
limited f2f time as parsimoniously as possible. Minimally, having the
bits of research collected will allow people to walk in with the right
things in wetware cache should we need to allot time in a telecon or f2f.
Needless to say, if we rely solely on f2f and telecon time to do all the
work necessary to move from "open issue" to agreement on every issue
raised, even our charter schedule is a bad joke.
Best Regards, John (head whip cracker :-)
Street address: 2455 South Road, Poughkeepsie, NY USA 12601
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"Wilson, Kirk D" <Kirk.Wilson@ca.com>
08/23/2007 09:17 AM
To
John Arwe/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS, <public-sml@w3.org>
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Subject
RE: [w3c sml] [agenda] 2007-08-23 SML Teleconference
As per John’s suggestion in item #6 below, I claimed ownership of three
bugzillas this morning (I’ll thought I would get the ball rolling):
4637: EPR Scheme
4684: sml:keyref referencing xs:key/unique
4775: Change skip to lax in wildcards.
Should we be “instigating discussion” before the F2F—like in the next two
days?
I don’t know if these are my “favorite” bugzillas, but they are one that I
think I can fairly quickly instigate a discussion.
Kirk Wilson, Ph.D.
Research Staff Member
CA Labs
603 823-7146
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Subject: Fw: [w3c sml] [agenda] 2007-08-23 SML Teleconference
Zulah seems to be the lucky winner of this week's Scribe lottery.
James is on deck.
Chair: when sending out an agenda, use following format
[w3c sml][agenda] yyyy-mm-dd SML in subject of email ([agenda]
agreed to, rest chair's convention)
Chair: when sending out an updated agenda, use following format, "n" =
update number, 1st update == 2, etc.
[w3c sml][agenda][ver n] yyyy-mm-dd SML in subject of email ([agenda]
[ver n] agreed to, rest chair's convention)
Scribe: read entire agenda, I restructured it so your "to do"s around the
scribe list are time-sequenced
i.e. less to remember
The phone number to use for the SML WG teleconference is documented on the
WG's administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/SML#phone
Participants are invited to join IRC channel, as documented on the WG's
administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/SML#irc
Teleconference Time and Length (two hours)
Pacific 11 AM - 1 PM
Mountain 12 PM - 2 PM
Central 1 PM - 3 PM
Eastern 2 PM - 4 PM
UK 7 PM - 9 PM
Paris 8 PM - 10 PM
Proposed Agenda:
1. Roll call (present/regrets/absent)
2. Selection of Scribe based on list below
New scribes see:
- Scribe Quick Start Guide
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
- Scribe FAQ
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html
Last Scribe Date Member Name Regrets pending
2007-06-13 Eckert, Zulah
2007-06-13 Lynn, James
2007-06-21 Gao, Sandy
2007-06-28 Valentina Popescu
2007-07-05 Brian You
2007-07-12 Wilson, Kirk
200y-mm-dd Vijay Tewari through 8/20/2007
2007-07-19 Lipton, Paul
2007-07-26 Kumar, Pandit
2007-08-02 Boucher, Jordan
2007-08-09 Waschke, Marvin
2007-08-16 Smith, Virginia 9/13 through 9/27
2007-06-12 Tabbara, Bassam Until 10/30/07
Exempt Arwe, John
Exempt Dublish, Pratul
Exempt MSM
Exempt PH
3. Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s):
- 8/16 minutes
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Aug/att-0050/20070816-sml-minutes.html
4. Review overdue action items http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/
5. Triage the bugs for which the Milestone/Keyword fields have not been
set http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=SML
6. Assigning needsAgreement bugs to owners
Everyone please come with a list of your favorite 5 (10?) bugs that you
would like to be responsible for
instigating discussion around with a goal to forge an agreement on RSN
"real soon now". Must be in
Second draft+P1+needsAgreement state. Feel free, if the current owner
is MSM, to update them to be you
in advance of the meeting (carrot: we won't need to discuss those, and
you get your pick of the litter!).
As the state indicates, goal is to get them closed by the mid-Sept
working draft since we plan to solicit
review of that from XML Schema wg specifically.
Of course, if you are unable to make the call... [cue: Jaws theme]
7. Schema binding (knowing which model def docs are used to validate each
model instance doc, for fun and profit)
Sandy to send introductory materials tonight/early Wed morning. These
will lay out the requirements and
constraints. Questions on the materials will be discussed. Sandy and
Valentina will provide a second doc
containing some alternatives and their proposal "real soon" so ideally
we can discuss next week at F2F. You
will need to have read the intro materials to have any hope of
understanding the alternatives, unless you are
already an expert in both schema and SML.
8. Null references
Discuss need for them (or lack of), if not closed in email thread by
Thu. I will instigate.
9. Target required and null references
Discussion if not closed in email by Thu. I will instigate.
n-3. Scribe: update scribe list below in this meeting's minutes, for use
in the next meeting's agenda:
Update the list below and sort it (LRU), leaving people who will be out
for an extended period near the bottom
to keep the names of draftees for the current meeting near the top, so
when the next agenda goes out people
will know if their name is at or near the top of the list to scribe
next.
Last Scribe Date Member Name Regrets pending
2007-06-13 Eckert, Zulah
2007-06-13 Lynn, James
2007-06-21 Gao, Sandy
2007-06-28 Valentina Popescu
2007-07-05 Brian You
2007-07-12 Wilson, Kirk
200y-mm-dd Vijay Tewari through 8/20/2007
2007-07-19 Lipton, Paul
2007-07-26 Kumar, Pandit
2007-08-02 Boucher, Jordan
2007-08-09 Waschke, Marvin
2007-08-16 Smith, Virginia 9/13 through 9/27
2007-06-12 Tabbara, Bassam Until 10/30/07
Exempt Arwe, John
Exempt Dublish, Pratul
Exempt MSM
Exempt PH
n-2. Scribe: follow the steps in the Scribe Quick Start Guide through
"Generate minutes"
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
DO NOT use tools that significantly change the source html, like Word,
to do your editing.
Those tools make compare tools to sanity check the scribe's edits
unusable even though it
renders fine visually (even here, some like Word remove W3C style
sheets so it renders
with subtle differences).
n-1. Scribe: (optional)
Send the original and updated minutes to the meeting chair as an
editorial check before
sending to the full list. Assume the chair will use a compare tool.
n. Scribe: send the minutes to the public mailing list
After the meeting, follow the conventions we have agreed on within the
wg to help
people search the email archives more effectively, namely:
[w3c sml][minutes] yyyy-mm-dd SML in subject of email ([minutes]
agreed to, rest chair's convention)
As with agendas, if minutes are updated include a [ver n] "tag" as
well.
----
n+1. Chair
After meeting, update good standing list
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