RE: Notes from informal Demo F2F

Tim,

Both #1 & #2 are potential candidates, but I think #2 would be more succinct and easier to set up -- think of it as adding the *missing keystone*. In either case, you would still utilize a public collection of curated databases.

Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Clark [mailto:twclark@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
Sent: Tue 3/6/2007 7:33 PM
To: William Bug
Cc: Eric Neumann; Alan Ruttenberg; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
Subject: Re: Notes from informal Demo F2F
 
Bill,

I am trying to understand your proposal.  Which are you suggesting:

(1) we curate in to SWAN some existing published work hypothesizing  
connection of, for example, MPTP/MPP+ mechanism to some forms of PD; or
(2) we build "our own" hypothesis of MPTP/MPP+ mechanism relationship  
etc, not existing in the literature, and curate it in to SWAN?

or something else?

Tim

On TuesdayMar 6, 2007, at 7:25 PM, William Bug wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Looks like a lot of substantive work was done at the F2F.  Kudos to  
> all who participated!
>
> I'd like to highlight one of the issues EricN mentioned.
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 8:29 AM, Eric Neumann wrote:
>> As part of the scernario using the known aggregate of facts, add a  
>> few *select* hypotheses (triple graphs), that would make major  
>> connections with the rest of the graph that would function as a  
>> "bridge" across the data and models; Show the new insights from  
>> this merged compositeby re-applying queries that now retireve more  
>> connections. One example Karen had was around the MPTP/MPP+  
>> mechanism for some forms of PD.
>
> This suggestion that came from the off-line discussion amongst  
> several call-in participants is EXACTLY the point I've been trying  
> to make since September with the proposal to use the OBO Foundry  
> PATO + Phenotype assertion syntax.
> 	http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/OntologyTaskForce/ 
> OboPhenotypeSyntaxExperiment
>
> I think this is critical to bringing together the various resources  
> around complex concepts such as LTP/LTD - which, as I've mentioned  
> before is a MODEL not a fact per se.
>
> The advantage to using this approach is your assertions are based  
> on reported evidence from the literature - not on a high-level  
> encapsulation of an abstraction in the form of a complex model.
>
> The strategy I'm proposing is only contrived in the sense you focus  
> in specifically on a collection of articles covering a particular  
> micro domain within the general use case.  I've even proposed a way  
> in which one could determine a metric to decide exactly how much of  
> this sort of highly structured curation is required.  The amount  
> will likely be a function of the complexity and abstraction in the  
> underlying hypothesis and the extent to which the underlying RDF  
> sources are already inter-liked via shared semantic frameworks such  
> as MeSH, GO, BioCyc, etc.
>
> I would note the article I chose as an example was appropriate  
> given the PD use case as of September 2006.  It was mainly put out  
> there to illustrate how to approach this task.  We'd now want to  
> focus specifically on articles that cover the specific micro  
> domains in the most recent, narrowed version of the use case.
>
> I have been working on how to use tools such as SWOOP to greatly  
> reduce the effort required to construct these phenotype assertions.
>
> I'm afraid I'm busy for the next week with BIRN meetings - some of  
> which I need to lead - so I don't expect to be able to provide much  
> help on this until late next week.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Cheers,
> Bill
>
>
> Bill Bug
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