Re: [biont] Nice wikipedia page on ontology

Thanks, Carole.

Which reminds me - there were two additional references I'd add to  
the bottom of the page:

The Motagues and the Capulets
Carole Goble and Chris Wroe
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/109925284/ 
ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

The recent Upper Ontology Summit (March 2006)
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/ 
UosJointCommunique

though unfortunately many of us lowly ontology users are still  
waiting for some of the announced deliverables.  ;-)

Cheers,
Bill

On Jan 24, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Carole Goble wrote:

> Bill
>
> Hear hear!! Well said.
>
> Carole
>
>> I was thinking initially Phil's concerns may have been more in  
>> terms of the wording used on the page, but Robert makes it more  
>> clear the issues are much more fundamental than that.  All of  
>> Robert's points sound very much to the root of why there would be  
>> concerns this is not a comprehensive view of what "formal" can  
>> mean in both the construction and use of ontologies.
>>
>> I did like the fact an attempt was made to include the cornucopia  
>> of Upper Level ontologies in active use, since clarity on this  
>> issue has often not been very good - and the arguments that rage  
>> over which best fits a particular application can be difficult to  
>> follow for some.
>>
>> I would certainly want to commend David Z's colleague for having  
>> the bravery (others might call it temerity) to step out and make a  
>> first stab at presenting - in a very public forum - a topic that  
>> can often foment arguments during academic debates.  I've been  
>> party to many public debates over specific scientific issues over  
>> the years, but there is something about the topic of proper  
>> ontology construction and implementation in biomedical informatics  
>> - debates that must address what an ontology IS and what an  
>> ontology IS NOT - that brings out the most vehement  
>> disagreements.  The disagreements will remain, so long as there  
>> are effective applications to demonstrate the value of the  
>> differing points-of-view.
>>
>> Perhaps we could work to assist David D. in his noble effort to  
>> disseminate information on this topic of great importance to many  
>> of us in this very public forum, if others agree its useful to  
>> have such a resource in the Wikipedia.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Davide Zaccagnini wrote:
>>
>>> David Decreane from L&C started that page and wrote good part of  
>>> the content. I'm passing him your kind comments.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Davide
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: public-semweb-lifesci-request@w3.org <mailto:public-semweb- 
>>> lifesci-request@w3.org> on behalf of William Bug
>>> Sent: Tue 1/23/2007 4:06 PM
>>> To: Alan Ruttenberg
>>> Cc: public-semweb-lifesci hcls
>>> Subject: Re: [biont] Nice wikipedia page on ontology
>>>
>>> Great reference, Alan!
>>>
>>> I'd noticed a while back, a collection of folks who understand  
>>> the formal details, the entirety of the landscape, and  
>>> collectively have done a great job documenting this info have  
>>> worked on that page.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Alan Ruttenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Start at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_Ontology
>>>
>>> -Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Bug
>>> Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer
>>>
>>> Laboratory for Bioimaging  & Anatomical Informatics
>>> www.neuroterrain.org
>>> Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy
>>> Drexel University College of Medicine
>>> 2900 Queen Lane
>>> Philadelphia, PA    19129
>>> 215 991 8430 (ph)
>>> 610 457 0443 (mobile)
>>> 215 843 9367 (fax)
>>>
>>>
>>> Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu  
>>> <mailto:William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bill Bug
>> Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer
>>
>> Laboratory for Bioimaging  & Anatomical Informatics
>> www.neuroterrain.org
>> Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy
>> Drexel University College of Medicine
>> 2900 Queen Lane
>> Philadelphia, PA    19129
>> 215 991 8430 (ph)
>> 610 457 0443 (mobile)
>> 215 843 9367 (fax)
>>
>>
>> Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu  
>> <mailto:William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Bill Bug
Senior Research Analyst/Ontological Engineer

Laboratory for Bioimaging  & Anatomical Informatics
www.neuroterrain.org
Department of Neurobiology & Anatomy
Drexel University College of Medicine
2900 Queen Lane
Philadelphia, PA    19129
215 991 8430 (ph)
610 457 0443 (mobile)
215 843 9367 (fax)


Please Note: I now have a new email - William.Bug@DrexelMed.edu