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Re: ssn call this week: what to call sosa issue-84

From: Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:25:50 -0800
To: Armin Haller <armin.haller@anu.edu.au>, Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, "Simon.Cox@csiro.au" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
Message-ID: <60bd5b45-2683-b733-e221-6fbe3e785721@ucsb.edu>
And SDW in the US means Seven Dirty Words (that you are not supposed to 
say on TV), and so forth. We cannot anticipate or study for every single 
acronym what it may mean in some context. We are have been using SOSA as 
a name for many months, have it in all our documents and emails and as a 
namespace created by the W3C, so, yes, lets stay with SOSA.

Cheers,
Krzysztof

On 01/22/2017 06:24 PM, Armin Haller wrote:
>
> I can’t recall a strong objection for SOSA. Raul mentioned that it is 
> not the most fortunate name in Spanish as it means “bland” (which in 
> ontological terms is quite appropriate considering the weak semantics 
> of the ontology), but there was no other better name proposed in the 
> meeting or since. We since have published a Working Draft that used 
> the name SOSA. If there are no strong objections due to an offensive 
> meaning in some other language I would propose to keep the name. We 
> have many more pressing issues unresolved and I don’t think other 
> ontology names in the W3C are particularly catchy, i.e. DCAT or PROV 
> and frankly, SSN itself gives me always a bit of a shiver as a German 
> speaker, as it reminds me of particular army fractions in the Third 
> Reich. English speakers seem to be less sensitive to that issue, 
> considering that several cars in Australia use the SS name for their 
> Sport version.
>
> SSN core was disregarded for the time being as it suggests that /SSN 
> new/ needs to import this /SSN Core/ (SOSA). Although desirable, I 
> don’t think we have resolved that issue yet.
>
> *From: *Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 17 January 2017 at 12:10 pm
> *To: *"janowicz@ucsb.edu" <janowicz@ucsb.edu>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" 
> <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, "Simon.Cox@csiro.au" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, 
> Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
> *Subject: *RE: ssn call this week: what to call sosa issue-84
> *Resent-From: *<public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, 17 January 2017 at 12:11 pm
>
> No, we did not.   It was  briefly raised at the F2F in Lisbon --- I 
> think everyone who  expressed  an opinion  there very much wanted 
> *not* SOSA . I did subsequently  post a question on the  email list 
> (buried in a message to editors, not specifically asking the question) 
>  and there were 3  responses, you and Simon supported  “Sosa” and 
> Raphael argued for SSN core (with which I agree, for the same reasons).
>
> On the other hand,  maybe the name is indeed dependent on whether or not
>
> SOSA really has  anything to do with SSN, (see issue-139).
>
> Mostly in the posting  I was just requesting that it was an issue to 
> be resolved urgently. It has not been!
>
> Link to relevant email thread: 
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Nov/0050.html
>
> Kerry
>
> *From:*Krzysztof Janowicz [mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 January 2017 3:39 AM
> *To:* Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: ssn call this week
>
>     issue-84 name for sosa-core
>
>
> Didn't we already agree to call it just 'SOSA' (without the core)? 
> IMHO, changing the name now would be really problematic (and we have 
> by far more important issues to discuss).
>
>
> On 01/16/2017 04:53 AM, Kerry Taylor wrote:
>
>     *Agenda for SDWWG teleconference 17 January 2017 21:00 UTC
>     <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170117T21&ah=1&msg=SSN%20Call>*
>
>      1. SSN WD has been published here:
>         https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn/. Next WD due when and what?
>      2. Commit workflow going forward (Armin)
>      3. SSN usage analysis (Raul)
>      4. close issue-128? "Namespace information block(s)"
>      5. sosa:Platform vs. ssn:Platform, why is it different? ISSUE 88
>         (carried from
>         https://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-sdwssn-minutes#item05
>         <https://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-sdwssn-minutes#item05>)
>         action-251 (Krzysztof)
>      6. strategy to connect sosa to ssn issue-139
>      7. issue-84 name for sosa-core
>      8. Owl-time vote for WD in plenary meeting next week
>
>     Please see
>     https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:SSN-Telecon20170117
>     for details and dial-in instructions.
>
>     -Kerry
>
> -- 
> Krzysztof Janowicz
>   
> Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
> 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060
>   
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Krzysztof Janowicz

Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
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