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Re: ssn call this week: what to call sosa issue-84

From: Armin Haller <armin.haller@anu.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:24:04 +0000
To: Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>, "janowicz@ucsb.edu" <janowicz@ucsb.edu>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, "Simon.Cox@csiro.au" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
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I can’t recall a strong objection for SOSA. Raul mentioned that it is not the most fortunate name in Spanish as it means “bland” (which in ontological terms is quite appropriate considering the weak semantics of the ontology), but there was no other better name proposed in the meeting or since. We since have published a Working Draft that used the name SOSA. If there are no strong objections due to an offensive meaning in some other language I would propose to keep the name. We have many more pressing issues unresolved and I don’t think other ontology names in the W3C are particularly catchy, i.e. DCAT or PROV and frankly, SSN itself gives me always a bit of a shiver as a German speaker, as it reminds me of particular army fractions in the Third Reich. English speakers seem to be less sensitive to that issue, considering that several cars in Australia use the SS name for their Sport version.

SSN core was disregarded for the time being as it suggests that SSN new needs to import this SSN Core (SOSA). Although desirable, I don’t think we have resolved that issue yet.

From: Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>
Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 at 12:10 pm
To: "janowicz@ucsb.edu" <janowicz@ucsb.edu>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, "Simon.Cox@csiro.au" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
Subject: RE: ssn call this week: what to call sosa issue-84
Resent-From: <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
Resent-Date: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 at 12:11 pm

No, we did not.   It was  briefly raised at the F2F in Lisbon --- I think everyone who  expressed  an opinion  there very much wanted not SOSA . I did subsequently  post a question on the  email list (buried in a message to editors, not specifically asking the question)  and there were 3  responses, you and Simon supported  “Sosa” and Raphael argued for SSN core (with which I agree, for the same reasons).

On the other hand,  maybe the name is indeed dependent on whether or not
SOSA really has  anything to do with SSN, (see issue-139).

Mostly in the posting  I was just requesting that it was an issue to be resolved urgently. It has not been!

Link to relevant email thread: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Nov/0050.html


From: Krzysztof Janowicz [mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2017 3:39 AM
To: Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: ssn call this week

issue-84 name for sosa-core

Didn't we already agree to call it just 'SOSA' (without the core)? IMHO, changing the name now would be really problematic (and we have by far more important issues to discuss).

On 01/16/2017 04:53 AM, Kerry Taylor wrote:
Agenda for SDWWG teleconference 17 January 2017 21:00 UTC<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170117T21&ah=1&msg=SSN%20Call>

  1.  SSN WD has been published here: https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn/. Next WD due when and what?
  2.  Commit workflow going forward (Armin)
  3.  SSN usage analysis (Raul)
  4.  close issue-128? "Namespace information block(s)"
  5.  sosa:Platform vs. ssn:Platform, why is it different? ISSUE 88 (carried from https://www.w3.org/2016/12/06-sdwssn-minutes#item05) action-251 (Krzysztof)
  6.  strategy to connect sosa to ssn issue-139
  7.  issue-84 name for sosa-core
  8.  Owl-time vote for WD in plenary meeting next week
Please see https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:SSN-Telecon20170117 for details and dial-in instructions.


Krzysztof Janowicz

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