Re: no BP sub-group call this week - busy prepping WD release

Sorry- didn't see that change :-( ... now included via PR 388 [1]

Jeremy

[1]: https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/388

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 at 10:51 Andrea Perego <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
wrote:

> Many thanks, Jeremy. +1 from me.
>
> Just one thing about the following sentence:
>
> [[
> However, the term “feature” is also commonly used to mean a capability
> of a system, application or component. Also, in some domains and/or
> applications there is no distinction between "features" and
> thecorresponding real-world phenonema.
> ]]
>
> In the revised version I proposed, this was followed by
>
> [[
> Also, in some domains and/or applications there is no distinction
> between "features" and the corresponding real-world phenonema.
> ]]
>
> but I see that this was not added.
>
> The full paragraph should then read:
>
> [[
> However, the term “feature” is also commonly used to mean a capability
> of a system, application or component. Also, in some domains and/or
> applications there is no distinction between "features" and the
> corresponding real-world phenonema.
>
> To avoid confusion, we adopt the term “spatial thing” throughout the
> remainder of this best practice document. “Spatial thing” is defined in
> [W3C-BASIC-GEO] as “Anything with spatial extent, i.e. size, shape, or
> position. e.g. people, places, bowling balls, as well as abstract areas
> like cubes”.
> ]]
>
> I thought it would be important to make this point clear somewhere
> (maybe in a more elaborated way), and this can also be linked to what we
> decided about the use of "indirect identifiers". Section 4 seems to me
> the right place, but I wouldn't object a priori to other options.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrea
>
>
> On 29/09/2016 11:26, Jeremy Tandy wrote:
> > See PR 387 [1] ... not quite your words but hopefully close enough.
> Jeremy
> >
> > [1]: https://github.com/w3c/sdw/pull/387
> >
> > On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 at 10:23 Jeremy Tandy <jeremy.tandy@gmail.com
> > <mailto:jeremy.tandy@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi- I've just applied the proposed change ... and am merging a PR
> >     now. Thanks for trying to clarify the text ... this particular
> >     discussion on terminology seems like an endless loop and I'm very
> >     happy if your proposal helps us put that to bed!
> >
> >     Jeremy
> >
> >     BTW: INSPIRE Spatial Object is _definitely_ an information resource
> :-)
> >
> >     On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 at 10:21 Linda van den Brink
> >     <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl <mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>>
> wrote:
> >
> >         Hi Andrea,
> >
> >         Thank you for following up on this! Your rephrasing sounds good
> >         to me. Do you want to include the change yourself and do a pull
> >         request? Or do you want me to do it?
> >
> >         Linda
> >
> >         -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >         Van: Andrea Perego [mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu
> >         <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>]
> >         Verzonden: donderdag 29 september 2016 09:49
> >         Aan: Jeremy Tandy; Linda van den Brink
> >         CC: SDW WG Public List
> >         Onderwerp: Re: no BP sub-group call this week - busy prepping WD
> >         release
> >
> >         Jeremy, Linda,
> >
> >         About the "terminology" issue, I checked mainly the notions of
> >         "spatial thing" / "feature" in Section 4:
> >
> >
> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/index.html#spatial-things-features-and-geometry
> >
> >         That section says we are using "spatial thing" as equivalent to
> >         "feature". However, this statement seems to me in conflict with
> >         the definitions we use in the same section. I'm quoting below
> >         the relevant
> >         passages:
> >
> >         [[
> >         In spatial data standards from the Open Geospatial Consortium
> >         (OGC) and
> >         the the 19100 series of ISO geographic information standards
> >         from ISO/TC
> >         211 the primary entity is the feature. [ISO-19101] defines a
> >         feature as
> >         an: “abstraction of real world phenomena”.
> >
> >         [...]
> >
> >         However, the term “feature” is also commonly used to mean a
> >         capability
> >         of a system, application or component. To avoid confusion, we
> >         adopt the
> >         term “spatial thing” throughout the remainder of this best
> practice
> >         document. “Spatial thing” is defined in [W3C-BASIC-GEO] as
> “Anything
> >         with spatial extent, i.e. size, shape, or position. e.g. people,
> >         places,
> >         bowling balls, as well as abstract areas like cubes”.
> >
> >         The term “spatial thing” is considered equivalent to “feature”
> >         in the
> >         first sense discussed above. Furthermore, we treat it as
> >         equivalent to
> >         other commonly used definitions; e.g. Feature from [NeoGeo],
> >         described
> >         as “A geographical feature, capable of holding spatial
> relations”.
> >         ]]
> >
> >         As far as I can see, the definition of "spatial thing" from
> >         Basic Geo is
> >         so general to include any "spatial resource" - i.e., both
> real-world
> >         things / phaenomena and information resources. On the other
> >         hand, the
> >         ISO definition of "feature" seems to denote an information
> resource
> >         (abstracting a real-world thing / phaenomenon).
> >
> >         I don't know if I got it right, but if this is the case, I
> >         include below
> >         a possible re-phrasing of the last two paragraphs above:
> >
> >         [[
> >         However, the term “feature” is also commonly used to mean a
> >         capability
> >         of a system, application or component. Also, in some domains
> and/or
> >         applications there is no distinction between "features" and the
> >         corresponding real-world phenonema.
> >
> >         To avoid confusion, we adopt the term “spatial thing” throughout
> the
> >         remainder of this best practice document. “Spatial thing” is
> >         defined in
> >         [W3C-BASIC-GEO] as “Anything with spatial extent, i.e. size,
> >         shape, or
> >         position. e.g. people, places, bowling balls, as well as
> >         abstract areas
> >         like cubes”.
> >
> >         As such, the term “spatial thing” includes, semantically, the
> >         notion of
> >         “feature” in the first sense discussed above, as well as
> "real-world
> >         phenomena". Furthermore, we treat it as inclusive of other
> >         commonly used
> >         definitions; e.g. Feature from [NeoGeo], described as “A
> >         geographical
> >         feature, capable of holding spatial relations”.
> >         ]]
> >
> >
> >         Cheers,
> >
> >         Andrea
> >
> >
> >         On 27/09/2016 17:11, Jeremy Tandy wrote:
> >         > Thanks!
> >         >
> >         > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 at 16:10 Andrea Perego
> >         > <andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu
> >         <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
> >         <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu
> >         <mailto:andrea.perego@jrc.ec.europa.eu>>>
> >         > wrote:
> >         >
> >         >     Hi, Jeremy.
> >         >
> >         >     I'll do my best to carry out the review within tomorrow.
> >         >
> >         >     Cheers,
> >         >
> >         >     Andrea
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >     On 27/09/2016 11:57, Jeremy Tandy wrote:
> >         >     > Hi- at the f2f meeting at TPAC last week, we made loads
> of
> >         >     progress ...
> >         >     > not least was agreeing that the BP doc has changed so
> >         much that we
> >         >     > should release it _now_ (more or less) even though we
> >         know there's
> >         >     still
> >         >     > so much to do to get it _finished_.
> >         >     >
> >         >     > Here are my notes from the discussion about WD release:
> >         >     >
> >         >     > ```
> >         >     >
> >         >     > /@phila: urges publication with only minimal change …
> >         there’s been a
> >         >     > huge amount of work done and we should share this for
> >         wider review/
> >         >     >
> >         >     > /What to do:/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /terminology … making sure that we use spatial thing
> >         >     consistently …
> >         >     >     [LvdB … fixed already][Andrea to check again?]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /glossary … make sure we have glossary terms for
> >         everything that
> >         >     >     experts might say - and make sure that the glossary
> >         >     definitions are
> >         >     >     appropriate [@bill]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /bibliography [@phila] … and figure out if we should
> >         use a simple
> >         >     >     hyperlink in place of a bib-ref/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /close issues that we have actually resolved [lvdb]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /remove the yellow highlight [@jtandy]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /status of this document [@jtandy]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /change since last release (“substantial re-write”)
> >         … therefore
> >         >     >     don’t need a Diff [@jtandy]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     >   * /update to REQ vs BP … could be automated [@newton
> >         (from DWBP
> >         >     WG)]/
> >         >     >
> >         >     > /…/
> >         >     >
> >         >     > /stable version on 5-Oct (wed call)/
> >         >     >
> >         >     > /vote to release 12-Oct /
> >         >     >
> >         >     > ```
> >         >     >
> >         >     > So we have a bunch of editorial actions to do to make a
> >         stable release
> >         >     > for 5-Oct (next week) and then (hopefully) a vote to
> >         release the
> >         >     week after.
> >         >     >
> >         >     >
> >         >     > If you've got actions (me, linda, bill, phila, andrea)
> >         then please
> >         >     crack
> >         >     > on with them. Please ask if you have questions ...
> >         >     >
> >         >     >
> >         >     > We're also expecting some additional content from Payam
> >         regarding CRS.
> >         >     >
> >         >     > Best Regards, Jeremy
> >         >     >
> >         >     >
> >         >     > (from Devon, UK - where the weather isn't nearly so nice
> >         as in
> >         >     Lisbon!)
> >         >     >
> >         >
> >         >     --
> >         >     Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
> >         >     Scientific / Technical Project Officer
> >         >     European Commission DG JRC
> >         >     Directorate B - Growth and Innovation
> >         >     Unit B6 - Digital Economy
> >         >     Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
> >         >     21027 Ispra VA, Italy
> >         >
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> >         >     The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may
> >         >     not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official
> >         >     position of the European Commission.
> >         >
> >
> >         --
> >         Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
> >         Scientific / Technical Project Officer
> >         European Commission DG JRC
> >         Directorate B - Growth and Innovation
> >         Unit B6 - Digital Economy
> >         Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
> >         21027 Ispra VA, Italy
> >
> >         https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/
> >
> >         ----
> >         The views expressed are purely those of the writer and may
> >         not in any circumstances be regarded as stating an official
> >         position of the European Commission.
> >
>
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> Andrea Perego, Ph.D.
> Scientific / Technical Project Officer
> European Commission DG JRC
> Directorate B - Growth and Innovation
> Unit B6 - Digital Economy
> Via E. Fermi, 2749 - TP 262
> 21027 Ispra VA, Italy
>
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