- From: Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 22:02:46 -0700
- To: Rob Atkinson <rob@metalinkage.com.au>, Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>
- Cc: "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <828f54c1-fee3-c362-89ea-6f55cfc954db@ucsb.edu>
> but the roles of modules a little blurred. You are absolutely right. Lets use out telcons to discuss these issues and how many types of modules there are (or should be). On 07/26/2016 06:50 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote: > Personally i do find it approaching K's proposal - but the roles of > modules a little blurred. The implication is even more modules at this > level of granularity - or another supporting diagram that has the same > underlying module structure, but shows the extensions (OWL axioms) etc > attached to each concept-defining module in the main hierarchy. > > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 at 10:18 Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au > <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>> wrote: > > Agreed! This looks to me very little like K’s proposal as I > understood it. Am in the middle of composing a longer version of > something like this. > > >“But if we really have a tabula rasa,” > > We do not – refer to the charter please. > > *From:*Rob Atkinson [mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au > <mailto:rob@metalinkage.com.au>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 July 2016 10:08 AM > *To:* Simon.Cox@csiro.au; Armin Haller <armin.haller@anu.edu.au > <mailto:armin.haller@anu.edu.au>>; janowicz@ucsb.edu > <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>; jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com > <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com> > > > *Cc:* danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de > <mailto:danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org > <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; Kerry Taylor > <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>> > *Subject:* Re: Updated SOSA core RE: SOSA core - procedures vs devices > > Hi - whilst I'm not as familiar with the details the amount of > modules and the logical structure fit my expectation. I think > however that the explanations of these will need some work to make > them accessible. In particular sosa-om and sosa-sam explanations > only help if you are intimately familiar with these. It would help > even at this early stage to perhaps describe what these contain, > and why they are not part of the core. If what they are is an > extension of sosa-core that does not define new entities, but uses > additional expressivity available in a language then perhaps we > can come up with a naming convention that reflects the role of > each module? eg sosa-ssn-align ? > > If modules are doing multiple things - like extending scope, > adding axioms and performing alignments (declaring equivalent > classes) then this is a departure from Krzysztof's proposal - > which may not be a bad thing but means that the modularisation > strategy needs to be re-articulated and taken into account. > > Rob > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 at 08:28 <Simon.Cox@csiro.au > <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>> wrote: > > Currently Sensing is a subclass of Observing (or Observation), > which is a subclass of Activity. That was my proposed ordering > – seeing ‘sensing’ as a subset of ‘observing’ to be consistent > with OGC usage, where ‘Observation’ covers not only sensing > but also forecasting, simulation, human-observing (which is a > combination of sensing and application of knowledge). > > But if we really have a tabula rasa, then we should consider > the best terminology and correct hierarchy – maybe > ‘estimating’ is a more general term. > > But definitely the order in that hierarchy should be resolved. > > Simon > > *From:*Armin Haller [mailto:armin.haller@anu.edu.au > <mailto:armin.haller@anu.edu.au>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 July 2016 7:58 AM > *To:* janowicz@ucsb.edu <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>; Cox, Simon > (L&W, Clayton) <Simon.Cox@csiro.au > <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>; jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com > <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com> > *Cc:* danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de > <mailto:danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org > <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; Kerry Taylor > <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>> > > > *Subject:* Re: Updated SOSA core RE: SOSA core - procedures vs > devices > > The proposal we arrived to now looks good to me. > > The only change, where I second Simon is, that we should > rename Actuation to Actuating. That is then aligned to Sensing > and also implies an Activity. The same applies to Observation > which I would rename Observing. Although, I am not sure if we > need the Observing class in the core if we have Sensing anyway. > > *From: *Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu > <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> > *Reply-To: *"janowicz@ucsb.edu <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>" > <janowicz@ucsb.edu <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> > *Date: *Wednesday, 27 July 2016 6:34 am > *To: *"Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>" > <Simon.Cox@csiro.au <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>>, Armin Haller > <armin.haller@anu.edu.au <mailto:armin.haller@anu.edu.au>>, > "jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com > <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>" > <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com > <mailto:jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>> > *Cc: *"danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de > <mailto:danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de>" <danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de > <mailto:danh.lephuoc@tu-berlin.de>>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org > <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org > <mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>>, Kerry Taylor > <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au <mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>> > *Subject: *Re: Updated SOSA core RE: SOSA core - procedures vs > devices > > I made some cosmetic changes and pushed them to github. I am > going to make another series of changes that are a bit bigger > and thus will leave them in > https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/kjanowicz-ssn/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl > for now until we agree on them. Most of this is from our last > discussion about procedures and platforms. > > Jano > > On 07/18/2016 10:01 PM, Simon.Cox@csiro.au > <mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote: > > I’ve just pushed an update to the SOSA Core ontology > > https://github.com/w3c/sdw/tree/simon-ssn/ssn/rdf > > in particular > https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/simon-ssn/ssn/rdf/sosa.ttl > > This includes the hierarchy shown on the wiki page > https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SOSA_Ontology > > I’ve cleaned up the class names a bit, and added > documentation on all elements. > > Simon > > -- > > Krzysztof Janowicz > > Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara > > 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060 > > Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu <mailto:jano@geog.ucsb.edu> > > Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ > <http://geog.ucsb.edu/%7Ejano/> > > Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net > -- Krzysztof Janowicz Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060 Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
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