- From: Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu>
- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:56:41 -0700
- To: Ed Parsons <eparsons@google.com>, public-sdw-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <56302B59.7060306@ucsb.edu>
Thanks Ed. This is a paper that I really like: http://iswc2014.semanticweb.org/raw.githubusercontent.com/lidingpku/iswc2014/master/paper/87960097-scientific-lenses-to-support-multiple-views-over-linked-chemistry-data.pdf . See, for instance, page 11. Their approach provides the flexibility many of us need without giving up on the formal characteristics. Best, Krzysztof On 10/27/2015 06:22 PM, Ed Parsons wrote: > Thanks Krzysztof, for your comments.. I will leave it to the editors > to make any response, but duly noted thank you ! > > ed > > > On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 at 23:04 Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@ucsb.edu > <mailto:janowicz@ucsb.edu>> wrote: > > Hi, > > >> >> Hope things are going well in Sapporo and sorry not to be able to >> join you. > > Same here. I was also trying to follow the IRC protocol and would > like to comment on the owl:sameAs issue. I agree with ahaller2's > statement that we should not ignore what is and has been best > practice for Linked Data over the years. There are clearly some > issues with the broad and often misleading use of owl:sameAs but > it is still the only relation we have that has a formal semantics. > It also states that two URIs point to the same thing which is a > very useful and powerful statement as it establishes identity. > There is a lot of new work that proposes a nested solution by > introducing weaker statements as well. Typically, these solutions > combine owl:sameAs with SKOS (e.g., skos:closeMatch) and > rdfs:seeAlso. Predicates such as samePlaceAs have been proposed in > the literature but their semantics remained unclear and this is > why we do not see them in the wild. > > Best, > Krzysztof > > > > On 10/27/2015 02:12 AM, Bill Roberts wrote: >> Thanks Ed. Will check through today's notes too and contribute if >> I can. Time zones and other travel at my end have made it hard to >> be more closely involved >> >> >> >> >> >> On 27 Oct 2015, at 09:07, Ed Parsons <eparsons@google.com >> <mailto:eparsons@google.com>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> In answer to your questions we ( the people in the room) came up >>> with... >>> >>> If we take the simple approach, does it lead to contradictions >>> or data consumption problems? >>> *That's life we accept it :-)* >>> >>> Can we let people add spatial data to the web in the way that >>> suits their purpose and still make it useful and interoperable? >>> *Yes to be tested however against the BP work* >>> >>> Where do we strike the balance between ease of publishing and >>> understanding vs strict standardisation/consistency for easier >>> machine readability? >>> *Not sure what you mean, but this might be application specific >>> - we need to gather examples of different approaches.* >>> >>> Thanks so much for taking a look at the minutes. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 at 11:52 Bill Roberts <bill@swirrl.com >>> <mailto:bill@swirrl.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Hope things are going well in Sapporo and sorry not to be >>> able to join you. I’ve been reading through the notes from >>> Monday’s discussion and just thought I’d contribute the >>> following, that I was writing up over the weekend. If >>> you’ve already covered this topic at the meeting, feel free >>> to park this for now - I realise there are many other things >>> to cover too. >>> >>> Things, Features, Spatial Objects >>> >>> I think we should try to accommodate a simple >>> straightforward data model wherever possible. That doesn't >>> preclude a richer or more precise data model when >>> circumstances require, but in many cases I think we can >>> often just work with descriptions of a Thing (without having >>> to puzzle about whether it's a thing or a feature or a >>> spatial object). There might be lots of different >>> descriptions of that Thing from different sources in >>> different contexts but that is already a well established >>> practice on the web and in the world in general. >>> >>> I might want to set up lighthousecatalogue.com >>> <http://lighthousecatalogue.com> where I say: >>> Beachy Head lighthouse is in England; >>> has latitude 50.7337; >>> has longitude 0.2414 . >>> >>> >>> Jeremy's rival lighthousespottersguide.com >>> <http://lighthousespottersguide.com> ("For the lighthouse >>> connoisseur") says >>> >>> Beachy Head lighthouse has geometry X . >>> X asWKT "MULTIPOLYGON(blah)" . >>> X asGML "<gml> blah </gml>" . >>> Beachy Head lighthouse has a height of 43m; >>> is red and white ; >>> produces two white flashes every 20 seconds; >>> has web page >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachy_Head_Lighthouse> . >>> >>> These are clearly two different representations but we don't >>> necessarily need a spatial object or Feature to manage this >>> situation. >>> >>> Jeremy and I might use the same URI for Beachy Head >>> lighthouse or different ones. If we use different ones, one >>> or other of us, or a third party, might want to assert that >>> those URIs have a sameAs relationship and then the faithful >>> users of my Lighthouse Catalogue can also easily find out >>> that it's red and white. >>> >>> In some cases, you might want to apply provenance or >>> versioning information to those descriptions - and there are >>> various ways to do that, whether by using the linked data >>> 303 approach to separate real world thing and a document >>> about it, or just having some document that has an >>> identifier. Maybe we should recommend how to do that for >>> spatial data. >>> >>> Jeremy's side project, >>> historyoflighthousesurveyingtechniques.com >>> <http://historyoflighthousesurveyingtechniques.com>, might >>> need to go further and introduce specific identifiers for >>> different representations of the lighthouse over time. So >>> that involves choosing a modelling approach appropriate to >>> the data to be represented. But my simple list of where to >>> find lighthouses shouldn't have to worry about that. >>> >>> I’m not sure of the answers to these questions: >>> >>> If we take the simple approach, does it lead to >>> contradictions or data consumption problems? >>> >>> Can we let people add spatial data to the web in the way >>> that suits their purpose and still make it useful and >>> interoperable? >>> >>> Where do we strike the balance between ease of publishing >>> and understanding vs strict standardisation/consistency for >>> easier machine readability? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Ed Parsons* >>> Geospatial Technologist, Google >>> >>> Google Voice +44 (0)20 7881 4501 >>> www.edparsons.com <http://www.edparsons.com> @edparsons >>> > > > -- > Krzysztof Janowicz > > Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara > 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060 > > Email:jano@geog.ucsb.edu <mailto:jano@geog.ucsb.edu> > Webpage:http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ <http://geog.ucsb.edu/%7Ejano/> > Semantic Web Journal:http://www.semantic-web-journal.net > > -- > > *Ed Parsons* > Geospatial Technologist, Google > > Google Voice +44 (0)20 7881 4501 > www.edparsons.com <http://www.edparsons.com> @edparsons > -- Krzysztof Janowicz Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara 4830 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060 Email: jano@geog.ucsb.edu Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/ Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net
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