- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:10:37 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
Following tradition, the minutes of yesterday's meeting are at
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes
A text version is pasted below.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
21 Oct 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-irc
Attendees
Present
kerry, jtandy, frans, BartvanLeeuwen, Alejandro_Llaves,
Payam, LarsG, ahaller2, Linda, MattPerry, joshli, AZ
Regrets
Phila, Ed, Andreas Harth, Andrea Perego, Rachel Heaven
Chair
kerry
Scribe
bart
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]last approve meetings minutes
2. [5]approve last weeks minutes
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2
0151021
3. [6]Patent call
4. [7]Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
5. [8]Summary of discussion on linking data
6. [9]<BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Sapporo Communication:
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo
7. [10]Summary of discussion on linking data
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 21 October 2015
<kerry> scribe: bart
<kerry> scribenick: bart
<kerry> scribenick bartvanleeuwen
last approve meetings minutes
<BartvanLeeuwen>
[12]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
approve last weeks minutes
[13]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
[13] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
<Linda> +1
<jtandy> +1
<LarsG> +1
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
<frans> +1
<Payam> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> RESOLVED: approve last weeks minutes
[14]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon201510
21
[14] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
Patent call
<kerry> [15]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[15] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
Best Practice editors: task responsibilities
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to remind Kerry to remind everyone
else about the time change after TPAC
<frans> couldn´t the reminder of sending reminders be an action
for Kerry?
<BartvanLeeuwen> New time for meetings after TPAC!
<jtandy> think it was 8pm UTC
<Linda> go ahead
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we have decided to organize ourselves
for 3 different task
<kerry> ACTION: kerry to remind on new meeting times for
northern hemisphere summer [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Remind on new meeting times for
northern hemisphere summer [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-28].
<BartvanLeeuwen> 1) issue management, managing topic chats and
keep people on topic, Payam will take that task
<Payam> sure
<BartvanLeeuwen> Another thing Payam will chase people down for
evidence of BPs
<BartvanLeeuwen> 2) analysis byt jtandy of what needs to be
done
<BartvanLeeuwen> 3) Main writer of the document will be Linda
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: instead of having discussions on email
/ wiki we try to write our documents as we go, so that you can
see your changes happening
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: approach based on Payam experience
with a previous group
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we almost got a BP document into the
repository
<Payam> Spatial Data on the Web Best Practice
<Payam> DRAFT Table of Contents
<Payam> 1. Introduction
<Payam> i. General intro
<Payam> ii. Difference between spatial data on the web and
current SDI practice
<Payam> iii. Principles
[17]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles
[17] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Principles
<Payam> 2. Conformance
<Payam> 3. Audience
<Payam> i. Geospatial experts without web knowledge? (LvdB: Are
we targetting them? Are they our Small Set of Known
Developers?)
<Payam> ii. Web developers without geospatial knowledge aka the
Large Set of Unknown Developers
<Payam> iii. Content publishers
<Payam> 4. Scope
<Payam> 5. Best Practices Template
<Payam> i. Best Practice Requirements
<Payam> 6. Best Practices Summary
<Payam> 7. The Best Practices
<Payam> i. Linking Data
<Payam> ii. Publishing data with clear semantics
<Payam> iii. Exposing datasets through APIs
<Payam> iv. Enabling discovery
<Payam> v. Assigning identifiers to real world things and
information resources
<Payam> vi. Expressing spatial data – vocabularies & encodings
<Payam> A. (geo)spatial information
<Payam> B. temporal information
<Payam> C. sensor data
<Payam> vii. Dealing with large datasets
<Payam> viii. Displaying spatial data on maps (IMO out of scope
- LvdB)
<Payam> 8. Conclusions
<Payam> 9. Glossary
<BartvanLeeuwen> Linda: document only availble as word
<Payam> 10. Cross-reference of use-cases against best practices
<Payam> A. Acknowledgements
<Payam> B. References
<Payam> i. Normative references
<Payam> it's a bit messy- sorry about that
<Payam> I copied/pasted from a word file
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: this is not a final document
structure, but we think these are the sections we need to fill
out
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: some might go out during the process
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we wanted to have the sections in
place before the Sapporo F2F
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will start writing on the BP during
the F2F, that is the main focus of the meeting.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are keen on getting feedback on the
content, there will be an editor's draft by the end of the
afternoon
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the structure is the same structure as
the DWBP document
<Linda> Addition: request to anyone to review the TOC so that
we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: request to anyone to review the TOC so
that we can work with an agreed structure next week in Sapporo.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: explains the structure of the
document, general w3c parts
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: audience is important topic, who do we
write this for
<kerry> +1 to addressing Geospatial experts without web
knowledge?
<kerry> +1 to Displaying spatial data on maps is out of scope
<Payam> +q
<BartvanLeeuwen> frans: this is supposed to be a BP document,
and not a 'best theories' document. we need evidence, how will
the evidence be included
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: one of the points we need to include
in the description of the best practices is examples
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: and we need to have be able to point
to those examples.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be adaption required to
make it work
<BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if we have content in the document, we
will be asking for examples and links to descriptions
<BartvanLeeuwen> Payam: if you point to examples and best
practices from the public mail archive I'll pick them up there.
<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: I hope we don't get hung up on links,
they might not be persistent
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we do have the oportunity to construct
the evidence ourselves
<Payam> +1 joshli - good examples will be also very helpful
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: Linda and geonovum have a tender for
testbed for these best practices
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be a gap, things that
should be done, but are not being done. we need to be carefull
to include them, we have to be careful to not put in theories.
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: maybe we need a note for 'emerging
practices'
<ahaller2> +1 emerging practises
<BartvanLeeuwen> frans: in the UCR somebody put his sources in
the Github repository to prevent ' link rot'
Summary of discussion on linking data
<jtandy> [18]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
[18] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: we are trying to continue the
discussion from last weeks call
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: the offline notes are on the wiki:
[19]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
[19] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data
<BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Sapporo Communication:
[20]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo
[20] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/F2F_Sapporo
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have TOC of our BP in github
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: the people in sapporo will be working
on that document
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will be keeping github up to date
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we will have a meeting record on IRC,
but not minute to minute like today
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: IRC will be the channel to contact us
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: hopefully we probably will have Webex,
IRC is the best way to get to us
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: at 5PM local time we will do a catch up
session
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: we are expecting a few people to come
along to talk to us from other groups
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Sato taraki ? will talk about SVG ,
Hadley Beaman , and IOT interest group, and even timbl signed
up
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: Dinner sunday night, for anyone who
want to show up
<Linda> bad timing Jeremy
<BartvanLeeuwen> kerry: there is a adhoc on the wednesday
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: there will be geojson people as well.
<jtandy>
[21]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_o
f_discussion
[21]
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linking_Data#Summary_of_discussion
Summary of discussion on linking data
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: our focus will be on gathering
content, not polished documents. bullet points are good, as
long as it is public
<BartvanLeeuwen> jtandy: kerry called it 'drafty'
<jtandy>
[22]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/
0105.html
[22]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0105.html
<jtandy> JSON a link poor format
<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: the linking in JSON-LD needs more best
practices
<BartvanLeeuwen> joshli: what types of interactions we have on
a resource
<frans> +1 to looking at raw HTTP as an API
<kerry> bart says the new linked data platform working grop
will be attacking this
<BartvanLeeuwen> hydra: [23]http://www.hydra-cg.com/
[23] http://www.hydra-cg.com/
<kerry> ... and bart says we should point to that instead of
inventing here
<kerry> ... bart says the linked data platform mailing list
discusses this - and the hydra one too -- cannot point to
anything directly
<kerry> ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on
the web for sapporo meeting [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Assemble linkks to actionable
data on the web for sapporo meeting [on Bart van Leeuwen - due
2015-10-28].
<kerry> bart wants us not to stretch too far in that direction
but to leave to others
<jtandy>
[25]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/
0125.html
[25]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Oct/0125.html
<jtandy> Does 'Feature' = 'Real World Thing'?
<joshli> departing the IRC but staying on phone. Ta
<kerry> agreed -- i was surprised to see the variation in
interpretation of "feature"
<frans> I agree with Kerry
<Payam> I have to leave. thank you all.
<BartvanLeeuwen> yup
<kerry> rrsagent make logs public
<frans> Have a good day or night!
<Linda> ok thanks bye
<Alejandro_Llaves> Thanks, bye!
<kerry> rrsagent draft minutes
<MattPerry> bye
<kerry> rrsagentdraft minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: bart to assemble linkks to actionable data on the
web for sapporo meeting [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: kerry to remind on new meeting times for northern
hemisphere summer [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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[26] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action02
[27] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes.html#action01
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