[Minutes] 2015 10 07

As ever, the minutes of today's meeting are at 
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes



           Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

07 Oct 2015

    [2]Agenda

       [2] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151007

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-irc

Attendees

    Present
           eparsons, phila, kerry, frans, LarsG, Payam, Linda,
           ahaller2, joshlieberman, aharth, MattPerry, AZ,
           AndreaPerego, ChrisLittle

    Regrets
           Bart_van_Leeuwen, Rachel_Heaven, Jon_Blower,
           Scott_Simmons, Alejandro_Llaves, Jeremy_Tandy,
           Bill_Roberts, Simon_Cox

    Chair
           Ed

    Scribe
           payam

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Approve Minutes
          2. [6]Patent Call -
             https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
          3. [7]Best Practice Document Editorial Team Update
          4. [8]Meeting time change
          5. [9]Progress on linking UCR's to Best Practice Topics
          6. [10]Any other business
      * [11]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2015

    I can do

    <eparsons> scribe: payam

Approve Minutes

    <eparsons> [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-sdw-minutes.html

   http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-sdw-minutes.html

    +1

    <kerry> scribenick: payam

    <eparsons> +1

    <Linda> +0 wasn't there

    <kerry> +1

    <phila> +1

    <joshlieberman> +1

    <ahaller2> +1

    <eparsons> PROPOSED: Accept last meeting minutes

    <LarsG> 0 wasn't there

    <eparsons> RESOLVED: Accept last meeting minutes

    <frans> +0

Patent Call - [13]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

      [13] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

    <phila> RESOLUTION: Accept last meeting minutes

    eparsons discusses the joint IP regualtions- see the link

    Preparation for the f2f meeting-- what's the best approach to
    use the meeting time

    <phila> The start time in Sapporo in your time zone is as shown
    at
    [14]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SD
    W+WG+F2F&iso=20151026T09&p1=622&ah=8

      [14] 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDW+WG+F2F&iso=20151026T09&p1=622&ah=8

    the proposal is to use the meeting to get more concrete work
    done on Best Practice document

    one reason for this is the time zone - it will be
    mid-night/early morning in EU/US and it would be difficult to
    dial-in/join via webex

    <phila> phila: Points to the time and date link
    [15]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SD
    W+WG+F2F&iso=20151026T09&p1=622&ah=8

      [15] 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDW+WG+F2F&iso=20151026T09&p1=622&ah=8

    frans: likes the idea of editing the document during the
    meeting; asking how the document is going to be edited during
    the meeting?

    eparsons: we'll probably use online editing tools (Google doc
    or other similar method);

    ChrisLittle: there is a summary session during the f2f meeting
    (the last day)- that session can be used to update remote
    participants

    eparsons: good idea- will try

    <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about other stuff around our
    meeting

    <frans> Will all BP editors be present in Sapporo?

    eparsons: Best Practice is probably the best topic to work on
    during the f2f meeting

    phila: Kerry is suggesting to have a joint working meeting
    between this group and web of things working group
    ... The joint meeting will be on the Wednesday during the
    meeting
    ... next TPAC meeting will be in Lisbon

    <phila> TPAC 2016 19-23 September, Lisbon Congress Centre

    <frans> yay! Lisbon

Best Practice Document Editorial Team Update

    <ChrisLittle> Hi Linda!

    <frans> Thank you Linda!

    Linda is the new co-editor of the Best Practice document

    thanks Linda

    [16]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linked-data

      [16] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linked-data

    <kerry> Payam: more information to add to document -- wnat to
    hear from everyone

    <kerry> ... 5 or 6 questions posted to list

    <kerry> ... responses have been summarised at that url above

    <kerry> ...if your point has been missed please speak up!

    <kerry> ... 2nd item was discussed a lot

    <kerry> ... how we should use URIs, what type, do they carry
    meaning?

    <kerry> .... is that an important thing that needs to be added
    to best practice? mostly between jon and Chris

    <kerry> .. frans said something about reference geo-data like
    goenames, dbpedia

    <kerry> ... frans can you check pls?

    <kerry> ..3rd question what do the links mean?

    <kerry> .... not much follow up here -- would like more

    <frans> I had a general impression that ¨linking¨ in the
    discussion was not always limited to spatial data

    <kerry> ... links may not be just in rdf

    <kerry> ...not much discussion on last 3 topics

    <kerry> ... again we link to postcodes saying where that
    postcode comes from...

    <kerry> ... can I manage a set of links, not necessarily one at
    a time. Is there an existing solution?

    <kerry> ... some discussioj on limks and relations ... should
    this be about interfaces for linking mechanisms or just how
    they should be described?

    <ChrisLittle> This includes issue of aggregation - a real
    probelm.

    <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about the IANA link registry

    <kerry> ... please provide meore and we will inetgrate into
    main doc

    <phila>
    [17]http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-rleatio
    ns.xhtml

      [17] 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-rleations.xhtml

    <AndreaPerego>
    [18]http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/

      [18] http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/

    <kerry> phila: iana link relations register

    phila: discusses the iana register
    [19]http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relatio
    ns.xhtml

      [19] 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml

    <kerry> ... terms that go in rel attributes of html and also
    http headers

    <kerry> ... defines relationship between your resource and the
    one you point to

    <kerry> ... allens reltions etc could go into here --
    surprisoing that not already there... we could add them this is
    our job!

    phila: this can be helpful in defining the relationships and
    the work that this group does can be added to iana registry

    <kerry> chirs: allens is time but RCC for space would be useful
    too

    ChrisLittle: Allen's calculus is about time... space related
    one are in /

Meeting time change

    <joshlieberman> Could we return to the IANA topic briefly?

    <frans> A good idea to look at the IANA link relations
    register. We should not forget that!

    eparsons: on the 4th of November we are planning to change the
    time

    thanks Kerry

    joshliberman: discusses the relationship between resources

    joshlieberman: the relationships that we are looking at are the
    relationships between the real world and resources (why these
    relationships are different from others)

    eparsons: on the Web: the relationship between we pages reflect
    the relationship between the resources on the Web; on ur work
    this can be different.

    phila: In GIS everything is about representation; in
    linked-data you mean the object/resource

    <joshlieberman> [20]http://example.org/thefeature vs
    [21]http://example.org/thefeature# for example

      [20] http://example.org/thefeature
      [21] http://example.org/thefeature

    <frans> I have high hopes that HttpRange-14 can be avoided.

    <phila> Yes, that's one solution. But it doesn't work for
    everyone as # isn't trabsmitted over the wire

    <phila> and that's how the conversation starts

    <eparsons>
    [22]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SD
    WWG+Call&iso=20151104T20&p1=1440&ah=1

      [22] 
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDWWG+Call&iso=20151104T20&p1=1440&ah=1

    eparsons: back to the time change: on the 4th of November we
    are planning to change the time

    <phila> [23]The history of HttpRange-14

      [23] http://www.w3.org/wiki/HttpRange14Webography

    evening time in Europe- Wednesdays

    eparsons: we will send reminders before changing of the time

Progress on linking UCR's to Best Practice Topics

    <kerry>
    [24]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narrat
    ives#3._Mapping_Requirements_to_these_themes_.28Kerry.29

      [24] 
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives#3._Mapping_Requirements_to_these_themes_.28Kerry.29

    <eparsons> thanks phil - bye

    eparsons: Kerry has worked on linking the UCR to Best Practice
    questions

    Kerry: discusses the mapping practice and using the UCR to do
    these mappings
    ... discusses mapping to external vocabularies
    ... are there any missing requirements?
    ... there seem to be one missing in the requirements
    ... Are we missing any requirements? The catch-all linkability
    requirement could be taken to cover most of this theme.
    Relative/locally contextual spatial relationships seems to have
    been missed in requirements (surprising to me -- I thought it
    was there, somewhere).

    it is indeed helpful

    eparsons: how can people contribute to Kerry's work?

    <frans> Kerry: if you think there might be a missing
    requirement, could you send a message about that? The UCR
    editors should look in to that.

    kerry: people can choose one topic (put your hands up to choose
    a topic) and work on it- it will be helpful if we can do this
    before the f2f meeting

    <ahaller2> i can do one after next meeting

    eparsons: volunteers for working on the sections?

    [25]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narrat
    ives#3._Mapping_Requirements_to_these_themes_.28Kerry.29

      [25] 
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives#3._Mapping_Requirements_to_these_themes_.28Kerry.29

    <kerry> ACTION: ahaller to do a crossreferening requirements to
    bp task [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

      [26] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Error finding 'ahaller'. You can review and register
    nicknames at <[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.

      [27] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users

    <ahaller2> assignment of identifiers to ‘real-world things’ &
    information resources, again, after next meeting

    kerry: will send a message related to missing requirement

Any other business

    <eparsons> Next week look at remaining UCR issues.

    frans: let us know if there is a missing requirement
    ... some of the issues still don't have a related thread (frans
    will create)
    ... will create email related to the issues (please prepare and
    discuss the issues before the meeting next week)

    semail threads/email threads

    kerry: invite everyone to participate in this discussion

    ChrisLittle: discusses the issue related to SVG
    ... suggests if this topic should be discussed during the f2f
    meeting

    frans: this issue is related to two of the UCR issues
    ... SVG is not just about rendering; it is also a mean to
    encode spatial data- so it can be in the scope

    eparsons: agrees- to spend some time on this topic

    <kerry> +q

    Kerry, I have to leave a bit early; can you take over?

    kerry: maybe we should have a meeting with SVG group?

    ChrisLittle: in short term will be out of scope for them- this
    could be our task within this group

    <kerry> chris and kerry discuss having a meeting at saporo with
    svg

    <kerry> ... decide not to as nothing useful to be done in sort
    term

    <kerry> Ed: any other business?

    <kerry> ... watch for email from frans with remaining use cases

    <ChrisLittle> Bye and thanks Ed

    thanks, bye

    <kerry> ...meeting closed

    <LarsG> Thx, bye

    <joshlieberman> Thanks and bye

    thank you kerry

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: ahaller to do a crossreferening requirements to
    bp task [recorded in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html#action01]

      [28] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html#action01

    [End of minutes]
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