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RE: Joining the GeoJSON discussion

From: Svensson, Lars <L.Svensson@dnb.de>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:01:52 +0000
To: Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>
Cc: "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <24637769D123E644A105A0AF0E1F92EF010D0F5818@dnbf-ex1.AD.DDB.DE>
On Monday, November 02, 2015 10:01 AM, Linda van den Brink wrote:

> New vocabularies? Like for example a GeoJSON-LD @context? Or do they
> really see that as part of the IETF WG work.

The GeoJSON-LD context is not (yet) part of the IETF WG work. Martin said, however, that it could be if enough WG members (i. e. anyone on their mailing list) make a case that it should be...

Best,

Lars
 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org]
> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 oktober 2015 14:32
> Aan: Simon.Cox@csiro.au; L.Svensson@dnb.de; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
> Onderwerp: Re: Joining the GeoJSON discussion
> 
> During the chartering process for this WG, I contacted Sean Gillies asking
> about whether/how the GeoJSON and GeoJSON-LD work might be included
> in SDW WG. It was clear that the community behind it didn't want W3C/OGC
> involvement so we left it out.
> 
> However:
> - It is very good news indeed that Martin met Kerry and Lars in Sapporo.
> Excellent.
> - The fact that GeoJSON is now on the IETF standards track makes it much
> easier to make normative references to it - again, excellent.
> 
> I'll just point us one more time to the line in our charter that basically allows
> this WG to do whatever it likes in terms of creating new vocabularies if it sees
> fit and has the capacity to do so :-)
> 
> The charter itself is, however, immutable (unless you want to recharter the
> groups through both W3C and OGC processes ;-) )
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Phil.
> 
> On 30/10/2015 05:46, Simon.Cox@csiro.au wrote:
> > As some of you know I've been interacting with the GeoJSON group for
> > more than a year. They have been quite a tight knit team until now,
> > and sometimes resistant to influences from outside the group-of-six.
> > For example, Jeff Yutzler and Erik Wilde have been valiantly trying to
> > raise the issue of predictable extension points, including
> > higher-dimensional geometries, for a while, but not convincing some of
> > the original developers
> > https://github.com/geojson/draft-geojson/issues/98

> >
> > An article of faith to the core group is that GeoJSON is out there, in fairly
> widespread use, and nothing should be done to jeopardize that. In particular,
> there should be no changes to the "format" (their language) that would
> make any existing GeoJSON data invalid. The particular focus is on existing
> tool support. That is an understandable position. It is also a strong constraint.
> >
> > So it is very interesting that Martin is chairing the IETF project
> > (with Erik as vice chair I understand) - neither being from the
> > original team. Appears that GeoJSON has moved to a more inclusive
> > governance model. (They always had an open record of discussions and
> > decisions, but a limited group with 'voting rights' and no clear
> > mechanism for joining that group.)
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Svensson, Lars [mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de]
> > Sent: Friday, 30 October 2015 3:41 PM
> > To: SDW WG Public List (public-sdw-wg@w3.org) <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
> > Cc: martin.thomson@gmail.com
> > Subject: Joining the GeoJSON discussion
> >
> > All,
> >
> > At lunch today, Kerry and I talked to Martin Thomson from Mozilla (in cc).
> Martin is chair of the "Geographic JSON (geojson)" IETF WG [1] and would be
> happy to hear our comments and get input on the future development of
> GeoJSON. We talked particularly about the use of (default) CRSs and about
> the use of GeoJSON in a linked data context. Our take on the first one was
> "don't use it without an explicit CRS", regarding the latter, Martin said that
> geojson-ld [2] is not (yet) part of the charter, but that if there is enough
> demand, that might be changed.
> >
> > There is no formal process for joining an IETF WG. The WG consists of the
> people taking part in the discussion; that is done by joining the mailing list
> and anyone can do that.
> >
> > I think that covers the discussion we had so far.
> >
> > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/geojson/charter/

> > [2] https://github.com/geojson/geojson-ld

> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Lars
> >
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> >
> >
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >> From: Martin Thomson <XXX>
> >> Date: 30 October 2015 at 9:14:16 AM GMT+9
> >> To: Kerry Taylor <XXX>
> >> Cc: Ed Parsons <XXX>, Phil Archer <XXX>
> >> Subject: Re: Japan coordination?
> >> On 30 October 2015 at 09:04, Kerry Taylor <XXX>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> We ( or at least I) missed u a the meeting  of sdw monday/ tuesday.
> >> would you have a chance to catch up today? Maybe at lunchtime? i am
> >> very flexible though and would be happy any time to suit you.
> >>
> >> I will likely be in the Payments WG at 12-12:30.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Phil Archer
> W3C Data Activity Lead
> http://www.w3.org/2013/data/

> 
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