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RE: Joining the GeoJSON discussion

From: Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:01:24 +0000
To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, "Simon.Cox@csiro.au" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, "L.Svensson@dnb.de" <L.Svensson@dnb.de>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
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New vocabularies? Like for example a GeoJSON-LD @context? Or do they really see that as part of the IETF WG work.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 30 oktober 2015 14:32
Aan: Simon.Cox@csiro.au; L.Svensson@dnb.de; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
Onderwerp: Re: Joining the GeoJSON discussion

During the chartering process for this WG, I contacted Sean Gillies asking about whether/how the GeoJSON and GeoJSON-LD work might be included in SDW WG. It was clear that the community behind it didn't want W3C/OGC involvement so we left it out.

However:
- It is very good news indeed that Martin met Kerry and Lars in Sapporo. 
Excellent.
- The fact that GeoJSON is now on the IETF standards track makes it much easier to make normative references to it - again, excellent.

I'll just point us one more time to the line in our charter that basically allows this WG to do whatever it likes in terms of creating new vocabularies if it sees fit and has the capacity to do so :-)

The charter itself is, however, immutable (unless you want to recharter the groups through both W3C and OGC processes ;-) )

Cheers

Phil.

On 30/10/2015 05:46, Simon.Cox@csiro.au wrote:
> As some of you know I've been interacting with the GeoJSON group for 
> more than a year. They have been quite a tight knit team until now, 
> and sometimes resistant to influences from outside the group-of-six. 
> For example, Jeff Yutzler and Erik Wilde have been valiantly trying to 
> raise the issue of predictable extension points, including 
> higher-dimensional geometries, for a while, but not convincing some of 
> the original developers 
> https://github.com/geojson/draft-geojson/issues/98

>
> An article of faith to the core group is that GeoJSON is out there, in fairly widespread use, and nothing should be done to jeopardize that. In particular, there should be no changes to the "format" (their language) that would make any existing GeoJSON data invalid. The particular focus is on existing tool support. That is an understandable position. It is also a strong constraint.
>
> So it is very interesting that Martin is chairing the IETF project 
> (with Erik as vice chair I understand) - neither being from the 
> original team. Appears that GeoJSON has moved to a more inclusive 
> governance model. (They always had an open record of discussions and 
> decisions, but a limited group with 'voting rights' and no clear 
> mechanism for joining that group.)
>
> Simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Svensson, Lars [mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de]
> Sent: Friday, 30 October 2015 3:41 PM
> To: SDW WG Public List (public-sdw-wg@w3.org) <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
> Cc: martin.thomson@gmail.com
> Subject: Joining the GeoJSON discussion
>
> All,
>
> At lunch today, Kerry and I talked to Martin Thomson from Mozilla (in cc). Martin is chair of the "Geographic JSON (geojson)" IETF WG [1] and would be happy to hear our comments and get input on the future development of GeoJSON. We talked particularly about the use of (default) CRSs and about the use of GeoJSON in a linked data context. Our take on the first one was "don't use it without an explicit CRS", regarding the latter, Martin said that geojson-ld [2] is not (yet) part of the charter, but that if there is enough demand, that might be changed.
>
> There is no formal process for joining an IETF WG. The WG consists of the people taking part in the discussion; that is done by joining the mailing list and anyone can do that.
>
> I think that covers the discussion we had so far.
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/geojson/charter/

> [2] https://github.com/geojson/geojson-ld

>
> Best,
>
> Lars
>
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>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: Martin Thomson <XXX>
>> Date: 30 October 2015 at 9:14:16 AM GMT+9
>> To: Kerry Taylor <XXX>
>> Cc: Ed Parsons <XXX>, Phil Archer <XXX>
>> Subject: Re: Japan coordination?
>> On 30 October 2015 at 09:04, Kerry Taylor <XXX>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We ( or at least I) missed u a the meeting  of sdw monday/ tuesday.
>> would you have a chance to catch up today? Maybe at lunchtime? i am 
>> very flexible though and would be happy any time to suit you.
>>
>> I will likely be in the Payments WG at 12-12:30.

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