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Re: any chance of that?

From: Alejandro Llaves <allaves@fi.upm.es>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 17:45:42 +0200
Message-ID: <CABTzy2RyJug4mMNpX9e=DAVvFw4tjg0JDQUKrQNczrt1sL0RPQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Peter Baumann <baumann@rasdaman.com>, jeremy.tandy@gmail.com
Cc: Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>, SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
Thanks for the input! I will go back to these mails after the voting to
improve the descriptions of the related requirements.

Cheers,
Alejandro

On 2 June 2015 at 16:55, Peter Baumann <baumann@rasdaman.com> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> just an additional thought: beyond the challenge of delivering data it is
> also the dynamicity of a server's data holding that can present challenges
> - simply because the server offering is getting updated continously. This
> has implications on caching, dynamic relationships, etc.
>
> cheers,
> Peter
>
>
>
> On 06/02/15 15:54, Alejandro Llaves wrote:
>
> Hi Frans,
>
>  IMO, the streamable data req. description is a bit vague: "Data should
> be streamable, a consumer should be able to do something meaningful before
> the end of the data message is received. This could be considered a general
> requirement for data on the Web, but it is recorded here because spatial
> data often consist of large chunks of data." - Specially, the part about "a
> consumer should be able to do something meaningful". Yet, I understand that
> this req. addresses the need of an efficient data consumption for big
> (spatial) data chunks. So it makes sense for the Best Practice deliverable.
>
>  On the other hand, the dynamic sensor data req. is about representing
> *streaming* (better than *streamable*; I will change it) sensor data that
> may come in near real-time. In this case, the streaming feature is implicit
> in the sensor data, since sensor data is normally produced as a sequence of
> observations, i.e. time series. I don't see any added value of mentioning
> "near real-time", but it doesn't bother either. Bottom line: I would not
> merge both reqs.
>
>  Cheers,
> Alejandro
>
>
>
> On 27 May 2015 at 09:32, Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hello Payam, Alejandro,
>>
>>  Thank you Payam, the top 3 scenarios are much easier to digest than 101
>> use cases. Now we need to see how this use case relates to deliverables and
>> requirements.
>>
>>  It seems to me the smart city use cases are mainly about best practices
>> and sensors.
>>
>>  An important requirement seems to be linkability
>> <http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#Linkability>.
>> The first scenario even requires real time linkability. For (near) real
>> time sensor data there is the dynamic sensor data
>> <http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#DynamicSensorData>
>> requirement.
>>
>>  Could there be requirements in this use case that we have not
>> discovered yet?
>>
>>  @Alejandro: the dynamic sensor data
>> <http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#DynamicSensorData> requirement
>> seems to have two components: (near) real time data and streamable data.
>> The streamable part is covered by the streamable data
>> <http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#Streamable>
>> requirement. Shall we change the label to something like '(near) real time
>> data'? Of course, as ever we also need to ask ourselves if the requirements
>> are in scope. The streamable data requirement could be considered in scope
>> because spatial objects can have a high volume. But is there something
>> spatial about real time data access? If there is. I think we should make it
>> clear in the description of the requirement.
>>
>>  Regards,
>> Frans
>>
>> 2015-05-27 1:06 GMT+02:00 Payam Barnaghi <payam.barnaghi@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Kerry, Alejandro and Frans,
>>>
>>>  I updated the 101 use-cases and added narratives from the top 3 ranked
>>> scenarios. I can edit and add a few more narratives if you think this needs
>>> to be extended further.
>>>
>>> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Working_Use_Cases#.22101.22_Smart_City_Use-cases
>>>
>>>  Please let me know if you want me add any further information to this
>>> section.
>>>
>>>  Thanks,
>>> Payam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 12:48 PM, <Kerry.Taylor@csiro.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Summary of 101 use cases before the Wednesday meeting? Otherwise it
>>>> will miss out on the “first public working draft” of the ucr document. If
>>>> you could put it on the wiki, and tell me and use case editors (cc’d) then
>>>>  I think we can use it.
>>>>
>>>> I am keen because I want to make sure that we have a clear IoT  target.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Dr Kerry Taylor*
>>>>
>>>> *Principal  Research Scientist*
>>>>
>>>> Digital Productivity, CSIRO
>>>>
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>>>> Visiting Reader, University of Surrey, UK
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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