- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:54:16 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
As ever, the minutes of today's meeting are available at
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-sdw-minutes
A text snapshot is included below.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
29 Jul 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/29-sdw-irc
Attendees
Present
phila, kerry, Alejandro_Llaves, SimonCox, Linda,
BartvanLeeuwen, Armin, Bill, Kerry, Matt, jtandy,
MattPerry, AndreaPerego, joshlieberman, billroberts,
Chris, frans
Regrets
Lars_Svensson, Rachel_Heaven, Ed_Parsons,
Clemens_Portele, Stefan_Lemme, Lewis
Chair
kerry
Scribe
armin
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/21
2. [5]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/22
3. [6]best practice editors' report
4. [7]ceo-ld
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<trackbot> Date: 29 July 2015
me
<kerry> scribe: armin
<kerry> scribenick: ahaller2
<phila> proposed: Accept last week's minutes
[8]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-sdw-minutes.html
[8] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-sdw-minutes.html
<kerry> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-sdw-minutes.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-sdw-minutes.html
<AndreaPerego> Was not there.
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
<jtandy> +1
<Linda> +1
<phila> +1
<phila> resolved: Accept last week's minutes
[10]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-sdw-minutes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/22-sdw-minutes.html
Kerry: Patent Call
phila: Patent Call is important
... on the W3C side of things, an automated email will be send
to the group which asks the same question as the OGC patent
call.
Kerry: Use Cases and Requirements, two issues to resolve today
[11]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/21
[11] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/21
Kerry: ISSUE-21: phrasing of the linkability requirement
<Alejandro_Llaves> "Spatial data on the Web should be linkable
(by explicit relationships between different data in different
data sets), to other spatial data and to or from other types of
data."
Alejandro: 'facts' were changed to 'features'
... 'explicit relationships between data' is the new proposal
<AndreaPerego> "Feature" is a notion that is not
straightforward for non-specialists.
<phila> I like that wording
<phila> issue-21?
<trackbot> issue-21 -- phrasing of the linkability requirement
-- pending review
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/21
[12] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/21
jtandy: like the current wording
<phila> RESOLVED: That Issue-21 be rephrased as shown above
<joshlieberman> "facts" is sufficiently generic as to not cause
problems, I suppose.
jtandy: ISSUE-21 resolved as discussed with new phrasing
[13]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/22
[13] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/22
<SimonCox> @josh - 'facts' now changed to 'data'
kerry: ISSUE-22 next to discuss
<joshlieberman> @SimonCox -- just can't keep up...
<Alejandro_Llaves> "There should be a standardised way for
expressing spatial relationships between spatial entities.
These relationships can be topological, mereological,
directional or distance related."
Alejandro: change of phrasing, changed to 'spatial
relationships'
+1
<SimonCox> +1
<phila> Seems like a no brainer to me
<Linda> +1
<phila> +1
<MattPerry> +1
<billroberts> +1
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
<jtandy> 'spatial relationships' works for me ... didn't know
what meronymy meant!
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<jtandy> +1
ISSUE-22 resolved, using new wording
<SimonCox> Voges out for 16
<phila> RESOLVED: Close Issue-22 using new wording
<joshlieberman> "partOf"
Andrea: can we use another term than mereological
<SimonCox> "part-whole"
Andrea: can we find another way to rephrase it?
<SimonCox> whole
Kerry: It is in the Use Case document, not Best practises,
acceptable for me
jtandy: Did not know that the word existed 20 minutes ago
<SimonCox> Ignorami!
Kerry: Are we happy to leave it?
jtandy: Happy as it is if it is an example
+1
<phila> [14]A definition of Mereology
[14] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mereology
<Linda> +1
<billroberts> +1
<joshlieberman> +1
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
<MattPerry> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<jtandy>
[15]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidation
[15] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidation
best practice editors' report
<AndreaPerego> +1 but it should leave open the possibility of
replacing it with something less specialistic
jtandy: URI of the Wiki page for the BP Consolidation
... we have 1-17, 32-41 of the use cases consolidated now
<jtandy>
[16]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Talk:BP_Consolidation
[16] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Talk:BP_Consolidation
<Alejandro_Llaves>
[17]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidation
[17] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidation
<SimonCox> Comments on the GeoJSON list: "seems to be taking a
shotgun approach with many people throwing in their favorite
bits. I’d hate to imagine the outcome if a committee were to
design something based on it. "
jtandy: aim was to make them easy to find in search engines
<SimonCox> (That's comments on the UCR document)
jtandy: and other considerations in the discussion page on the
wiki
<ChrisLittle> zakim present
Kerry: publishing a spatial data, consumers can use the data in
some other context, and want the dataset be usable
<ChrisLittle> zakim present+
<jtandy>
[18]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narrat
ives
[18] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives
jtandy: if you have ideas like the one kerry raised, please put
them on the wiki
... common themes are, linking data, publishing data with clear
semantics
... partial overlap with data on the web best practise group
... third theme, expose datasets through APIs
... enabling discoverability is another theme
... assigning identifiers is fifth theme
... expressing geospatial information is the last theme
... linda provided another use case, geometry is 95% of the
data size in the Dutch use case
Linda: put this in the use case as a question, if optimisation
is needed
<joshlieberman> Is this an argument for implementing the
distinction between feature and geometry, so that geometries
can be linked in as needed?
jtandy: implication of performance in queries with polygons
with for example 5000 points
... the number of times new things are coming out is slowing
down, so I am comfortable there won't be too many other themes
Kerry: the themes make sense to me
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Berlin
<SimonCox> Jeremy's brain is disorganized in prose, but awesome
in pictures!
phila: some of the use cases at the bottom of the document make
references to the earlier ones, which might make it easier for
you, jeremy
<phila> [19]Berlin Workshop
[19] http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/workshop/berlin/
phila: I am organizing a workshop in Berlin
... location as discussed by kerry is a use case, how do I
authoritatively refer to a location in my dataset
... the group members that are close should consider to
participate
... EU project Share PSI is organising it
... hosted by Fraunhofer
Josh: Happy to see that the first theme is linking
... it is important to have clear semantics of the entity that
is linked to
... directionality is important in use cases, having links to
go to the data this data is derived from is valuable for
findability
... who is using the data should be a part of the theme
jtandy: backlinks are equally important, put it under enabling
discoverability
... we need to think hard how we can enable these backlinks in
our best practise document
... we may need to create our own examples for that
Kerry: could not see the backlinks coming up in any use case
... if it is important we should have a use case
jtandy: e.g. I arrive in a new place, what is available near
me?
Kerry: maybe not the best use case, but we can find one
Linda: developed a testbed
... would like to share it with the group
... to get feedback
<jtandy> +1 from me to Linda's offer to share ideas about
test-beds
Linda: expect it to be ready end of this week or next
Kerry: rather put it on the wiki
<SimonCox> Chipmunk Chris again
rofl
<SimonCox> Almost as funny as the cricket
<joshlieberman> Take those acorns out of your mouth!
<kerry> chris, can you type on the irc?
<ChrisLittle> give up on audio suggest that use case is
critical data sent out, need to update who did we send to?
<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to ask what we mean with
linkable geometries
<billroberts> +1 to separating feature and geometry
Andrea: wondered whether make links more explicit, big
geometries that are attached to data may require that
jtandy: I will put this one up on the wiki
... treat geometries as first class citizens
<Zakim> billroberts, you wanted to talk about a use case for
backlinks
Bill: if geometries are only defined as part of features, other
people can not reference the geometry. Geometries with URIs
gives them equality
<AndreaPerego> An example from Ian Davis Placetime.com (back in
2003):
[20]http://vocab.org/placetime/geopoint/wgs84/X-126.817Y46.183
[20] http://vocab.org/placetime/geopoint/wgs84/X-126.817Y46.183
<ChrisLittle> get Bill to write that down
yes please
<phila> [21]NeoGeo
[21] http://geovocab.org/doc/neogeo/
phila: neogeo does exactly that according to my understanding,
geometry as a first class citizen
ceo-ld
<phila> [22]CEO-LD project
[22] http://www.w3.org/2015/ceo-ld/
phila: small project, between UK and China
... W3C and Codata
... experts in satellite and earth observation data come
together to enable this group to write the coverage deliverable
... offering to help, but not taking over this deliverable
... our SDW group still has the authority, the ceo-ld group is
only there to help
<ChrisLittle> CEO may cause confusion: international Committee
for Earth Observations
jtandy: will be on holiday for the next meeting
Kerry: reminder to register for TPAC
<phila> [23]TPAC page
[23] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/
<AndreaPerego> Won't be able to come.
<kerry>
[24]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_Sapporo_F2F
[24] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_Sapporo_F2F
Kerry: tell us on this page if you are coming
<Alejandro_Llaves> +q
<SimonCox> FWIW - Australia 99/7, Rogers 50 n.o. - rain stops
play
andrea: use cases missing?
Kerry: the github version is still developing, but the other
document was frozen about 3 weeks ago
<phila> It was frozen following the WG resolution in early
June, modulo the editors adding in links to the open issues
(which was the resolution). I expect a new version to be
published simultaneously with the FPWD of the BP doc
Kerry: the use case documents will be a working document up
until the end of this working group potentially
<Alejandro_Llaves>
[25]https://github.com/geojson/draft-geojson/issues/88
[25] https://github.com/geojson/draft-geojson/issues/88
Alejandro: Simon wrote down that there were some interesting
comments in the geojson mailing list
<joshlieberman> --with a grain of salt--
Kerry: if the comments are not submitted yet to our public
comment list, we should suggest to them to do so
Simon: will do that
<ChrisLittle> bye
<joshlieberman> bye
<BartvanLeeuwen> bye
<Alejandro_Llaves> thanks, bye!
<jtandy> bye
<Linda> bye
<AndreaPerego> Thanks and bye
closing
<MattPerry> bye
<billroberts> bye
bye
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