Re: best practice to represent social media accounts for org like Fire departments, Police, etc.

Yeah, I guess technically that would be extra information on
the relationship between the Organization and the UserAccount, but
schema.org isn't that normalized usually.  You could use Role (*small
shudder*).

It would be totally fine to add more properties.  I personally need the
type for creation/deletion dates/status on the accounts.  There's just no
abstraction for the concept to hang any of these ideas.  Maybe it could be
a description or category or something new.

I was just using that URI as a local identifier.  It could be a blank node
with just a provider that uniquely identified it.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:31 AM Arnaud Sahuguet <arnaud.sahuguet@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you Ryan.
>
> Two comments:
> 1. FDNY has multiple Twitter accounts, e.g. general announcements,
> careers, etc.
> I would need UserAccount to have an extra property to define the purpose
> of the account.
> 2. For messaging apps like Signal, Telegram with no Web interface (as far
> as I know), there is no Web URI to use as an identifier. How would you
> solve the issue?
>
> Arnaud
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:26 AM Ryan Levering <rrlevering@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My proposal is to have a UserAccount type that has edges to
>> Person/Organization: https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/3403
>>
>> @prefix s: <http://schema.org/> .
>> <https://www.nyc.gov/site/fdny/> a s:Organization ;
>>   s:hasAccount <https://twitter.com/FDNY> ;
>>   s:hasAccount <https://www.facebook.com/FDNY> .
>>
>> <https://twitter.com/FDNY> a s:UserAccount ;
>>   s:name "FDNY"
>>     s:provider <https://twitter.com>
>>
>> IMO, ContactPoint is not quite the right direction because it's
>> provider-agnostic (a phone number or email is thankfully a global
>> address).  The UserAccount is only relevant in the context of the place
>> where the account is.
>>
>> But for your specific case, at Google we currently interpret sameAs in
>> the way you use in the example.  That's the only way we have to represent
>> it in our systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:14 AM Arnaud Sahuguet <arnaud.sahuguet@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Dan.
>>> It is nice to cross paths again (we collaborated on
>>> https://schema.org/GovernmentService when I was at Google.org).
>>>
>>> Wikidata is going very deep with one property per social media "entity",
>>> e.g. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2397 for YouTube. This can
>>> open a can of worms: what defines a social media entity, who is worthy of
>>> such a property, why is my social media website not in the list, etc.?
>>>
>>> I am wearing my "civic data lenses", with a focus on city and government
>>> services.
>>> I would like to be able to list all their social media accounts and for
>>> what purpose they use them.
>>>
>>> I would argue that social media is a form of ContactPoint. The current
>>> version of ContactPoint was designed pre-social media.
>>>
>>> Supporting social media *and* messaging apps (e.g. signal, telegram,
>>> etc.) would be super relevant.
>>>
>>> 1. Most social media have a web interface: having a url should be enough
>>> and we get it for free from Thing.
>>> 2. For messaging apps, we need to capture the user handle/id but also
>>> the name of the app.
>>> Maybe having a new DigitalContactPoint schema (parent == ContactPoint
>>> ??) with a new property called userid to capture the user account.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, what would you recommend for my FDNY example?
>>> The issue I have with sameAs is that I cannot capture the fact that
>>> FDNY has multiple channels, one for casual announcements, one for critical
>>> announcements, etc.
>>> ContactPoint is a bit of an overkill and does not convey the fact that
>>> this is a social media account.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 5:07 AM Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +Ryan
>>>>
>>>> I have discussed the idea of modeling accounts with Ryan (cc:d) from
>>>> time to time. It could be useful but as ever it is hard to know how deep to
>>>> go.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 22:04, Arnaud Sahuguet <arnaud.sahuguet@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to represent the various media accounts using by New York
>>>>> City fire department. The list is at
>>>>> https://www.nyc.gov/site/fdny/connect/social-media/social-media.page .
>>>>>
>>>>> If I want to attach the Twitter/X account and Facebook account of
>>>>> FDNY, I could do
>>>>> @prefix s: <http://schema.org/> .
>>>>> <https://www.nyc.gov/site/fdny/> a s:Organization ;
>>>>>   s:sameAs <https://twitter.com/FDNY> ;
>>>>>   s:sameAs <https://www.facebook.com/FDNY> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a better way that conveys the fact these accounts are social
>>>>> media accounts?
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Arnaud
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Arnaud Sahuguet
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Arnaud Sahuguet
>
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