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Re: Public Interest legal aid markup

From: Alan LaFrance <stidotorg@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:44:16 -0500
Message-ID: <CALdqMaTXF1u4iqMnxgaqd2QoQ4qrm9=MZHWzkoSmbU8Twk6UNQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andrew Crimer <andrew.crimer@gmail.com>
Cc: "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
Andrew,

Good points.

Can you think of some test cases that would challenge either of the
methods? Perhaps we can work the problem backwards and arrive at a more
robust solution.

Alan

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:52 PM Andrew Crimer <andrew.crimer@gmail.com>
wrote:

> (forgot to cc the list)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Andrew Crimer <andrew.crimer@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Public Interest legal aid markup
> To: Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu>
>
>
> A note on the complexity here: there are many types of corporation and
> they vary substantially by jurisdiction. "profitStatus" probably can't
> effectively be made binary. Incentives, i.e. "will never charge you money,"
> are probably even more complicated. In the United States, IRC section 501c
> has 29 subsections <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/501>, each
> with various additional cases attached. I'm not advocating for encoding the
> US tax code into schema, but I do think it bears mentioning that "for
> profit" and "not for profit" are both subject to change over time and
> extremely broad generalizations.
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 2:44 PM Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I like the profitStatus property, because there are many non-profit
>> organizations that do not primarily identify as an ‘NGO’ — but still want
>> to communicate that they are non-commercial, public-interest, and will
>> never charge you money/sell your data.
>>
>> The ICNPO can be fine, though it’s definitely higher burden to do the
>> classification than the profitStatus.
>>
>> Thanks so much for your thoughts! Best, Margaret
>>
>>
>> On March 24, 2020 at 11:37:03 AM, Alan LaFrance (stidotorg@gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Margaret,
>>
>> I think this exposes a gap in the existing schema, as you mentioned.
>>
>> I’d like to advocate for adding an optional property called profitStatus
>> to Organization that notates the status of an org as “for profit” or “non
>> profit.”
>>
>> Alternatively, we could use ICNPO classifications as guidance for a more
>> granular method. (See link below)
>>
>> https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/catalogue/13-015-X
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alan LaFrance
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:06 PM Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I’m working with various legal aid groups and other ‘public
>>> interest/non-profit’ legal groups on marking up their online resources.
>>>
>>> I am running into a few limitations/areas for help.` If you have any
>>> thoughts, edits, reactions — I’d really appreciate it!  Best, Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>> *1) Organization Type:* Should we be tagging a non-profit legal
>>> information/services as an ‘NGO’ or as a ‘Legal Service’? The ideal is that
>>> we are communicating to the public that the sites are:
>>> - public interest and free
>>> - offering info + services related to legal problems
>>>
>>> Ideally there would be another category like ‘Non-profit Legal Service’
>>> or ‘Legal Aid’
>>>
>>> *2) Issue Expertise:* What’s the best way to label the areas of law
>>> that a legal aid or free legal info site might help a person with? For
>>> example, to let people know they have help with domestic violence; child
>>> custody; landlord-tenant problems; migrant worker problems, etc?
>>>
>>> Right now, we are using ‘knowsAbout’ and then linking to a URL with a
>>> taxonomy entry for that legal problem.
>>>
>>> Has anyone used any other strategy for this?
>>>
>>>
>>> *3) Jurisdiction Coverage:* Ideally we could label the organization and
>>> services very precisely with what cities, counties, or states their
>>> info/services apply to. For example, some of the housing law pages are only
>>> for certain cities, while some family/child custody are only for people in
>>> a certain state.
>>>
>>> We are currently using Administrative Area and listing these different
>>> city/county/state units as text entries — but ideally we could be more
>>> precise than text. Has anyone used other strategies for communicating the
>>> jurisdictions that particular rules or services apply to?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> For more detail, here are some of the sample drafts of markup that our
>>> groups are working on.
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>   "@context": "http://www.schema.org",
>>>
>>>   "@type": "LegalService",
>>>
>>>   "name": "Idaho Legal Aid Services",
>>>
>>>   "url": "https://www.idaholegalaid.org/",
>>>
>>>   "description": "Idaho Legal Aid Services is a nonprofit statewide law
>>> firm dedicated to providing equal access to justice for low income people
>>> through quality advocacy and education.",
>>>
>>>   "logo": "
>>> https://www.idaholegalaid.org/sites/idaholegalaid.org/files/ilas-logo-100.png
>>> ",
>>>
>>>   "address": {
>>>
>>>     "@type": "PostalAddress",
>>>
>>>     "streetAddress": "1447 S. Tyrell Lane
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1447+S.+Tyrell+Lane?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> ",
>>>
>>>     "addressLocality": "Boise",
>>>
>>>     "addressRegion": "ID",
>>>
>>>     "postalCode": 83706
>>>
>>>   },
>>>
>>>   "areaServed": [
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>       "@type": "AdministrativeArea",
>>>
>>>       "name": "Idaho"
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>>   "telephone": "208-746-7541",
>>>
>>>   "openingHours": [
>>>
>>>     "Mo 08:30-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "Tu 08:30-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "We 08:30-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "Th 08:30-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "Fr 08:30-17:00"
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>>     "isAccessibleForFree": true,
>>>
>>>   "knowsAbout": [
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/HO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/FA-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/IM-13-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/BE-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/MO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/NA-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     “https://taxonomy.legal/term/BE-07-00-00-00”,
>>>
>>>     “https://taxonomy.legal/term/FA-15-00-00-00”
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>   "@context": "http://www.schema.org",
>>>
>>>   "@type": "LegalService",
>>>
>>>   "name": "Legal Services of North Florida",
>>>
>>>   "url": "https://www.lsnf.org/",
>>>
>>>   "description": "LSNF is a not-for-profit legal services organization
>>> serving only low-income individuals and families in sixteen counties across
>>> Florida’s central and western panhandle. LSNF’s priority areas are cases
>>> involving Family Law, Housing, Public Benefits, Employment, Education, and
>>> Health Care issues. It does not help with traffic tickets, car injuries, or
>>> defending criminal actions.",
>>>
>>>   "logo": "
>>> https://www.lsnf.org/wp-content/themes/LSNFtheme/assets/images/Logo.png
>>> ",
>>>
>>>   "alternateName": "LSNF",
>>>
>>>   "telephone": "(850) 385-9007",
>>>
>>>   "address": [
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>       "@type": "PostalAddress",
>>>
>>>       "streetAddress": "2119 Delta Boulevard
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2119+Delta+Boulevard?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> ",
>>>
>>>       "addressLocality": "Tallahassee",
>>>
>>>       "addressRegion": "FL",
>>>
>>>       "postalCode": “32303”
>>>
>>>     },
>>>
>>> ]
>>>
>>> "areaServed": [
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>       "@type": "AdministrativeArea",
>>>
>>>       "name": "[“Bay County, FL”, “Calhoun County, FL”, “Escambia
>>> County, FL”, “Franklin County, FL”, “Gadsden County, FL”, “Gulf County,
>>> FL”, “Holmes County, FL”, “Jackson County, FL”, “Jefferson County, FL”,
>>> “Leon County, FL”, “Liberty County, FL”, “Okaloosa County, FL”, “Santa Rosa
>>> County, FL”, “Wakulla County, FL”, “Walton County, FL”, “Washington County,
>>> FL”]"
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>>     "isAccessibleForFree": true,
>>>
>>>   "openingHours": [
>>>
>>>     "Mo 09:00-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "Tu 09:00-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "We 09:00-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "Th 09:00-17:00",
>>>
>>>     "Fr 09:00-17:00"
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>>   "contactPoint": [
>>>
>>>    { "@type": "ContactPoint",
>>>
>>>     "url": "
>>> https://floi.legalserver.org/modules/matter/extern_intake.php?pid=38&h=757e8c
>>> ",
>>>
>>>     "contactType": "Online Intake",
>>>
>>>     "areaServed": "Florida"
>>>
>>>   },
>>>
>>> ]
>>>
>>>
>>>   "availableLanguage": [
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>       "@type": "Language",
>>>
>>>       "name": "English",
>>>
>>>       "alternateName": "English"
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>   ]
>>>
>>> "serviceLocation": [
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>     “@type”: “LegalService”
>>>
>>>     “name” : “Legal Services of North Florida: Pensacola office”,
>>>
>>>     “telephone” : “(850) 432-8222”
>>>
>>>       “address”: {
>>>
>>>   "streetAddress": "118 South Baylen Street
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/118+South+Baylen+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> ",
>>>
>>>        "addressLocality": "Pensacola",
>>>
>>>        "addressRegion": "FL",
>>>
>>>        "postalCode": 32502
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>     },
>>>
>>>   {
>>>
>>>     “@type”: “LegalService”
>>>
>>>     “name” : “Legal Services of North Florida: Quincy Office”,
>>>
>>>     “telephone” : “(850) 875-9881”
>>>
>>>       “address”: {
>>>
>>>   "streetAddress": "121 North Jackson Street
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/121+North+Jackson+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> ",
>>>
>>>        "addressLocality": "Quincy",
>>>
>>>        "addressRegion": "FL",
>>>
>>>        "postalCode": 32303
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>     },
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>     “@type”: “LegalService”
>>>
>>>     “name” : “Legal Services of North Florida: Ft. Walton Beach”,
>>>
>>>     “telephone” : “(850) 862-3279”
>>>
>>>       “address”: {
>>>
>>>   "streetAddress": "133 Staff Drive, NE
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/133+Staff+Drive,+NE?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> ",
>>>
>>>        "addressLocality": "Ft. Walton Beach",
>>>
>>>        "addressRegion": "FL",
>>>
>>>        "postalCode": 32548
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>     },
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>     “@type”: “LegalService”
>>>
>>>     “name” : “Legal Services of North Florida: Panama City office”,
>>>
>>>     “telephone” : “(850) 769-3581”
>>>
>>>       “address”: {
>>>
>>>   "@type": "PostalAddress",
>>>
>>>        "streetAddress": "211 East 11th Street
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/211+East+11th+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> ",
>>>
>>>      "addressLocality": "Panama City",
>>>
>>>        "addressRegion": "FL",
>>>
>>>        "postalCode": 32401
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>     },
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>     “@type”: “LegalService”
>>>
>>>     “name” : “Legal Services of North Florida: Tallahassee office”,
>>>
>>>     “telephone” : “(850) 385-9007”
>>>
>>>       “address”: {
>>>
>>>   "@type": "PostalAddress",
>>>
>>>        "streetAddress": "2119 Delta Blvd
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2119+Delta+Blvd?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> .,
>>>
>>>      "addressLocality": "Tallahassee",
>>>
>>>        "addressRegion": "FL",
>>>
>>>        "postalCode": 32303”
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>> ]
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> {
>>>
>>>   "@context": "http://www.schema.org",
>>>
>>>   "@type": "LegalService",
>>>
>>>   "name": "Law Help NY",
>>>
>>>   "url": "https://www.lawhelpny.org/",
>>>
>>> "description": "Access to legal information and free legal help for New
>>> Yokers in need of legal assistance.",
>>>
>>>   "image": "
>>> https://www.lawhelpny.org/files/B23B29BF-0DED-F7B9-2149-1DB14E1A7DE5/images/LHNY%203_20.png
>>> ",
>>>
>>>   "logo": "
>>> https://www.lawhelpny.org/files/B23B29BF-0DED-F7B9-2149-1DB14E1A7DE5/images/LHNY%203_20.png
>>> ",
>>>
>>>   "isAccessibleForFree": true,
>>>
>>> "areaServed": [
>>>
>>>     {
>>>
>>>       "@type": "AdministrativeArea",
>>>
>>>       "name": "New York"
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>>   "knowsAbout": [
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/DI-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/FA-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/CO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/HE-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/BE-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/HO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/WO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/MO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/ES-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/GO-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/VE-00-00-00-00",
>>>
>>>     "https://taxonomy.legal/term/RI-00-00-00-00"
>>>
>>>   ],
>>>
>>>   "description": "Legal information for New Yorkers who cannot afford an
>>> attorney.",
>>>
>>>   "availableLanguage": {
>>>
>>>     "@type": "Language",
>>>
>>>     "name": [
>>>
>>>       "English",
>>>
>>>       "Spanish",
>>>
>>>       "French",
>>>
>>>       "Korean",
>>>
>>>       "Russian",
>>>
>>>       "Polish",
>>>
>>>       "Vietnamese",
>>>
>>>       "Haitian; Haitian Creole",
>>>
>>>       "Arabic",
>>>
>>>       "Italian",
>>>
>>>       "Tagalog"
>>>
>>>     ]
>>>
>>>   },
>>>
>>>   "email": "info@nylawhelp.org"
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>
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