Re: scholarlyArticle no DOI

Bill,

in regards to the issuer of the DOI, do these three DOI issuing bodies
coordinate their publisher IDs. It is my understanding that publishers or
content issuing bodies will obtain a unique number in the  xxx range :
10.xxxxx/yyyyy and then unique products will be identified in the yyyy
range. So, my basic question is: regardless of who issues the DOI, are
these not all unique? or do we have a situation where crossref can issue a
doi which datacite can also issue?

- Hugh

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 6:46 PM Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com> wrote:

> First of all, yes, it's about who issues the DOI--Crossref, DataCite, or
> EIDR--and who maintains the registry and the metadata associated with the
> DOI.
>
> Second, yes, it is the Crossref infrastructure, for example, that manages
> the process that directs a user from the DOI to the article or book or
> chapter (etc.) that the Crossref DOI identifies. In that particular
> implementation, the "owner" of the Crossref DOI determines what it resolves
> to. An article DOI typically resolves to the article itself but for a book
> DOI, for example, it could resolve to the publisher's website offering the
> book for sale or even a menu of options. That's all about Crossref
> infrastructure, not about the DOI itself. The DOI is just a persistent
> identifier, on the Handle System.
>
> And finally, it has long been recommended that Crossref DOIs be expressed
> as a URI, resulting in what is referred to as an "actionable DOI."
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 12:32 PM Richard Wallis <
> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> Is that differentiation just a matter of specifying who is responsible
>> for issuing the DOI, or is it relevant to the mechanisms needed to lookup
>> information?
>>
>> Potentially the value provided could be the DOI's associated URI.
>>
>> ~Richard.
>>
>> Richard Wallis
>> Founder, Data Liberate
>> http://dataliberate.com
>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>> Twitter: @rjw
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 17:00, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Technically, they're both just DOIs, as is EIDR (for the entertainment
>>> industry). But I like to specify "Crossref DOI" when I'm talking about a
>>> DOI for an article, for example, to disambiguate. Many people in scholarly
>>> publishing just call them DOIs and aren't even aware that there are
>>> different kinds of DOIs. The identifiers themselves are virtually the same;
>>> it's the metadata and systems they're associated with that differ. Not sure
>>> if that answers your question. . . .
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:53 AM Richard Wallis <
>>> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are there different acronym conventions to identify the differing types
>>>> (that could be used for a propertyID value) or are they both 'doi' ?
>>>>
>>>> ~Richard
>>>>
>>>> Richard Wallis
>>>> Founder, Data Liberate
>>>> http://dataliberate.com
>>>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>>>> Twitter: @rjw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 16:47, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And just to be clear, articles are identified with a Crossref DOI and
>>>>> data sets are identified with a DataCite DOI. Two separate but related
>>>>> systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 11:11 AM Richard Wallis <
>>>>> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As with all Schema.org types ScholarlyArticle
>>>>>> <https://schema.org/ScholarlyArticle> can have an associated
>>>>>> identifier <https://schema.org/identifier> property defined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {
>>>>>>    "@context": "http://schema.org",
>>>>>>    "@type": "Article",
>>>>>>    "name": "DOI Handbook",
>>>>>>    "identifier": {
>>>>>>        "@type": "PropertyValue",
>>>>>>        "propertyID": "doi",
>>>>>>        "value": "10.1000/182"
>>>>>>    }
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Wallis
>>>>>> Founder, Data Liberate
>>>>>> http://dataliberate.com
>>>>>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>>>>>> Twitter: @rjw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 at 15:36, Hugh Paterson III <
>>>>>> sil.linguist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm wondering why there is no DOI "attribute" listed under
>>>>>>> scholarlyArticle. DOI resolvers are fairly important and mainstream, with
>>>>>>> the Datacite API one can generally get the publication metadata of most
>>>>>>> currently published articles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that editEIDR  solves the same kind of identification
>>>>>>> function, so it seems that someone has suggested that this kind of
>>>>>>> functionality is useful (which I agree it is). I'm wondering if there is
>>>>>>> any discussion for adding DOI or abstracting to an "attribute" which would
>>>>>>> allow for the use of Handles, URN's ARK's, DOI's, LSIDs etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otherwise, how are people choosing to encode DOI's?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all the best,
>>>>>>> - Hugh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for specifics on terms:
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archival_Resource_Key
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSID
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Bill Kasdorf*
>>>>> *Principal, Kasdorf & Associates, LLC*
>>>>> *Founding Partner, Publishing Technology Partners
>>>>> <https://pubtechpartners.com/>*
>>>>> *W3C Global Publishing Evangelist*
>>>>> kasdorf.bill@gmail.com
>>>>> +1 734-904-6252
>>>>>
>>>>> ISNI: http://isni.org/isni/0000000116490786
>>>>> ORCiD: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786
>>>>> <https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786?lang=en>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Bill Kasdorf*
>>> *Principal, Kasdorf & Associates, LLC*
>>> *Founding Partner, Publishing Technology Partners
>>> <https://pubtechpartners.com/>*
>>> *W3C Global Publishing Evangelist*
>>> kasdorf.bill@gmail.com
>>> +1 734-904-6252
>>>
>>> ISNI: http://isni.org/isni/0000000116490786
>>> ORCiD: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786
>>> <https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786?lang=en>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> *Bill Kasdorf*
> *Principal, Kasdorf & Associates, LLC*
> *Founding Partner, Publishing Technology Partners
> <https://pubtechpartners.com/>*
> *W3C Global Publishing Evangelist*
> kasdorf.bill@gmail.com
> +1 734-904-6252
>
> ISNI: http://isni.org/isni/0000000116490786
> ORCiD: https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786
> <https://orcid.org/0000-0001-7002-4786?lang=en>
>
>