RE: Historical events

That is signified by the fact that '19 June 2018' doesn't have a name, only an index. 

An 'event' that happened on that day would probably have a name relating to the activity.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider [mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 20 June, 2018 11:17
To: public-schemaorg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Historical events

I think that ages are qualitatively different from events.  Consider a very short age - 19 June 2018.  As far as I am concerned that is not an event.


peter



On 06/19/2018 05:06 PM, Anthony Moretti wrote:
> Look, I'm no temporal expert or anything, but maybe the problem is in 
> English it could be a continuum from "event" to "period" as the 
> interval of time being named gets longer, with no clear boundary.
>
>     Mike's birthday party - an event
>     The Middle Ages - a period
>
> Because from a data modeling point of view they're the same (at least 
> as far as my modeling knowledge goes).
>
> So an unpopular solution I'm guessing would be to rename the type to 
> *EventOrPeriod*.
>
> So your previous example:
>
>     The Black Death
>         superEventOrPeriod: The Middle Ages
>
> People's ideas?
>
> Anthony
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:10 PM Richard Wallis 
> <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com 
> <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>>
> wrote:
>
>     Anthony,
>
>     I’m not following your logic here.  I don’t see a Period (of time from a
>     start time/date to an end date/time) as an event.
>
>     ~Richard.
>
>     Richard Wallis
>     Founder, Data Liberate
>     http://dataliberate.com

>     Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis

>     Twitter: @rjw
>
>     On 20 June 2018 at 00:05, Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         That definitely works, but only if some definition of Period was
>         agreed on.
>
>         The property periodEventOccurred would be a subproperty of
>         superEvent in any case:
>
>             superEvent
>
>                 periodEventOccurred
>
>
>         So you could describe the same information using the existing term
>         right?
>
>             The Black Death
>
>                 superEvent: The Middle Ages
>
>
>         Anthony
>
>
>         On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:50 PM Richard Wallis
>         <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com
>         <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>> wrote:
>
>             Using a Period Type I would suggest a cleaner alternative way of
>             saying an event occurred during a period would be like this:
>
>             {
>             "@context": "http://schema.org",
>             "@type": "Event",
>             "name": "The Black Death",
>             "Description": "A pandemic that spread throughout Europe",
>             "periodEventOccured": {
>             "@type": "Period",
>             "name": "The Middle Ages",
>             "approximateStartDate": "400AD",
>             "approximateEndDate":"1500AD"
>             }
>             }
>
>             On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Anthony Moretti
>             <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 I was referencing the development version of Schema, I
>                 should probably reference production, sorry Roger:
>
>                   * https://schema.org/subEvent

>                   * https://schema.org/superEvent

>
>                 To say some event happened during the Iron Age for example:
>
>                     Invention of iron plow
>                         superEvent: Iron Age
>
>
>                 Anthony
>
>                 On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:05 PM Muri, Allison
>                 <allison.muri@usask.ca <mailto:allison.muri@usask.ca>> wrote:
>
>                     The google Cloud host is really slow and I think the 404
>                     is a result of something loading too slowly. I could
>                     probably publish this more reliably on my own website! I
>                     generally just wait a bit and reload the page. Sorry
>                     about that.
>
>                     Sent from my iPhone
>
>                     On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Roger Rohrbach
>                     <roger@ecstatic.com <mailto:roger@ecstatic.com>> wrote:
>
>>                     I get 404 Not Found for both of those pages.
>>
>>
>>>                     On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Anthony Moretti
>>>                     <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Isn't it already modeled by these properties?:
>>>
>>>                       * https://webschemas.org/subEvent

>>>                       * https://webschemas.org/superEvent

>>>
>>>                     Events can exist in part-whole hierarchies, aren't
>>>                     named periods just events high in these hierarchies?
>>>
>>>                     Anthony
>>
>
>

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