Re: Historical events

By some RDFS rules and simple queries one could state:

anEvent : StartOf (someProcess);
anotherEvent : EndOf (someProcess);
yetAnotherEvent : PartOf (someProcess);
SubProcessOf : PartOf (containment);
Before / After;
OverlapBefore / OverlapAfter;
CauseOf (Event / Process);

Think there are other relations useful for inference by schema / queries
that may also be modelled. I'd refer to CEP (Complex Event Processing) as
it's made in tools like Drools Fusion.


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 10:17 PM Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Maybe:
> 'Process' : Event subtype.
> Process :startingEvent Event (causal relationship?);
> Process :endingEvent Event;
> Event :occursIn Process (property range).
>
> This could allow for sub-process / events, overlapping processes / events,
> order / causal relationship of processes / events modelling or inference?
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 9:11 PM Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ahaha, same idea as Simon 😂
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:06 PM Anthony Moretti <
>> anthony.moretti@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Look, I'm no temporal expert or anything, but maybe the problem is in
>>> English it could be a continuum from "event" to "period" as the interval of
>>> time being named gets longer, with no clear boundary.
>>>
>>>     Mike's birthday party - an event
>>>     The Middle Ages - a period
>>>
>>> Because from a data modeling point of view they're the same (at least as
>>> far as my modeling knowledge goes).
>>>
>>> So an unpopular solution I'm guessing would be to rename the type to
>>> *EventOrPeriod*.
>>>
>>> So your previous example:
>>>
>>>     The Black Death
>>>         superEventOrPeriod: The Middle Ages
>>>
>>> People's ideas?
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:10 PM Richard Wallis <
>>> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anthony,
>>>>
>>>> I’m not following your logic here.  I don’t see a Period (of time from
>>>> a start time/date to an end date/time) as an event.
>>>>
>>>> ~Richard.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Wallis
>>>> Founder, Data Liberate
>>>> http://dataliberate.com
>>>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>>>> Twitter: @rjw
>>>>
>>>> On 20 June 2018 at 00:05, Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That definitely works, but only if some definition of Period was
>>>>> agreed on.
>>>>>
>>>>> The property periodEventOccurred would be a subproperty of superEvent
>>>>> in any case:
>>>>>
>>>>> superEvent
>>>>>
>>>>>     periodEventOccurred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you could describe the same information using the existing term
>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Black Death
>>>>>
>>>>>     superEvent: The Middle Ages
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:50 PM Richard Wallis <
>>>>> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using a Period Type I would suggest a cleaner alternative way of
>>>>>> saying an event occurred during a period would be like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {
>>>>>> "@context": "http://schema.org",
>>>>>> "@type": "Event",
>>>>>> "name": "The Black Death",
>>>>>> "Description": "A pandemic that spread throughout Europe",
>>>>>> "periodEventOccured": {
>>>>>> "@type": "Period",
>>>>>> "name": "The Middle Ages",
>>>>>> "approximateStartDate": "400AD",
>>>>>> "approximateEndDate":"1500AD"
>>>>>> }
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was referencing the development version of Schema, I should
>>>>>>> probably reference production, sorry Roger:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - https://schema.org/subEvent
>>>>>>>    - https://schema.org/superEvent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To say some event happened during the Iron Age for example:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Invention of iron plow
>>>>>>>     superEvent: Iron Age
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:05 PM Muri, Allison <allison.muri@usask.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The google Cloud host is really slow and I think the 404 is a
>>>>>>>> result of something loading too slowly. I could probably publish this more
>>>>>>>> reliably on my own website! I generally just wait a bit and reload the
>>>>>>>> page. Sorry about that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Roger Rohrbach <roger@ecstatic.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I get 404 Not Found for both of those pages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Anthony Moretti <
>>>>>>>> anthony.moretti@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't it already modeled by these properties?:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - https://webschemas.org/subEvent
>>>>>>>>    - https://webschemas.org/superEvent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Events can exist in part-whole hierarchies, aren't named periods
>>>>>>>> just events high in these hierarchies?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anthony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>