Re: Historical events

So then World War 2 is not an event, and June (the repeating period) is.


peter



On 06/19/2018 06:36 PM, Simon.Cox@csiro.au wrote:
> That is signified by the fact that '19 June 2018' doesn't have a name, only an index. 
>
> An 'event' that happened on that day would probably have a name relating to the activity.  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider [mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 June, 2018 11:17
> To: public-schemaorg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Historical events
>
> I think that ages are qualitatively different from events.  Consider a very short age - 19 June 2018.  As far as I am concerned that is not an event.
>
>
> peter
>
>
>
> On 06/19/2018 05:06 PM, Anthony Moretti wrote:
>> Look, I'm no temporal expert or anything, but maybe the problem is in 
>> English it could be a continuum from "event" to "period" as the 
>> interval of time being named gets longer, with no clear boundary.
>>
>>     Mike's birthday party - an event
>>     The Middle Ages - a period
>>
>> Because from a data modeling point of view they're the same (at least 
>> as far as my modeling knowledge goes).
>>
>> So an unpopular solution I'm guessing would be to rename the type to 
>> *EventOrPeriod*.
>>
>> So your previous example:
>>
>>     The Black Death
>>         superEventOrPeriod: The Middle Ages
>>
>> People's ideas?
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:10 PM Richard Wallis 
>> <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com 
>> <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Anthony,
>>
>>     I’m not following your logic here.  I don’t see a Period (of time from a
>>     start time/date to an end date/time) as an event.
>>
>>     ~Richard.
>>
>>     Richard Wallis
>>     Founder, Data Liberate
>>     http://dataliberate.com
>>     Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>>     Twitter: @rjw
>>
>>     On 20 June 2018 at 00:05, Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         That definitely works, but only if some definition of Period was
>>         agreed on.
>>
>>         The property periodEventOccurred would be a subproperty of
>>         superEvent in any case:
>>
>>             superEvent
>>
>>                 periodEventOccurred
>>
>>
>>         So you could describe the same information using the existing term
>>         right?
>>
>>             The Black Death
>>
>>                 superEvent: The Middle Ages
>>
>>
>>         Anthony
>>
>>
>>         On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:50 PM Richard Wallis
>>         <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com
>>         <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Using a Period Type I would suggest a cleaner alternative way of
>>             saying an event occurred during a period would be like this:
>>
>>             {
>>             "@context": "http://schema.org",
>>             "@type": "Event",
>>             "name": "The Black Death",
>>             "Description": "A pandemic that spread throughout Europe",
>>             "periodEventOccured": {
>>             "@type": "Period",
>>             "name": "The Middle Ages",
>>             "approximateStartDate": "400AD",
>>             "approximateEndDate":"1500AD"
>>             }
>>             }
>>
>>             On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Anthony Moretti
>>             <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 I was referencing the development version of Schema, I
>>                 should probably reference production, sorry Roger:
>>
>>                   * https://schema.org/subEvent
>>                   * https://schema.org/superEvent
>>
>>                 To say some event happened during the Iron Age for example:
>>
>>                     Invention of iron plow
>>                         superEvent: Iron Age
>>
>>
>>                 Anthony
>>
>>                 On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:05 PM Muri, Allison
>>                 <allison.muri@usask.ca <mailto:allison.muri@usask.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>                     The google Cloud host is really slow and I think the 404
>>                     is a result of something loading too slowly. I could
>>                     probably publish this more reliably on my own website! I
>>                     generally just wait a bit and reload the page. Sorry
>>                     about that.
>>
>>                     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>                     On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Roger Rohrbach
>>                     <roger@ecstatic.com <mailto:roger@ecstatic.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>                     I get 404 Not Found for both of those pages.
>>>
>>>
>>>>                     On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Anthony Moretti
>>>>                     <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Isn't it already modeled by these properties?:
>>>>
>>>>                       * https://webschemas.org/subEvent
>>>>                       * https://webschemas.org/superEvent
>>>>
>>>>                     Events can exist in part-whole hierarchies, aren't
>>>>                     named periods just events high in these hierarchies?
>>>>
>>>>                     Anthony
>>
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