Re: Eurocentrism, incorrect unit abbreviations, and proprietary Royalist Engish (sic) terms

I agree CampingSpot is understandable too. -- Simeon

On 7/11/18 9:05 AM, Martin Bean wrote:
> I’d say a /CampingSite/ has many /CampingSpots/.
> 
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 at 13:41 Simeon Warner <simeon.warner@gmail.com 
> <mailto:simeon.warner@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     As a native Brit (which I guess makes me a royalist per this thread!
>     Whatever happened to British English and American English as the usual
>     terms to distinguish!) who has camped a fair bit, I would say that
>     while
>     we do pitch a tent the term CampingPitch sounds really odd. I think
>     British English speakers would find IndividualCampsite more
>     understandable.
> 
>     Cheers,
>     Simeon
> 
>     On 7/11/18 3:56 AM, Martin Hepp wrote:
>      > I would stick with CampingPitch, since the whole concept is mostly
>      > relevant for Royalist English and Eurocentric campgrounds.
>      >
>      > Martin
>      > ---------------------------------------
>      > martin hepp
>      > www: http://www.heppnetz.de/
>      > email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>
>     <mailto:mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>>
>      >
>      >
>      > Am 11.07.2018 um 09:25 schrieb Anthony Moretti
>      > <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>>:
>      >
>      >> I can work with that. So if we keep the assumption, for the
>      >> convenience of businesses, that all campgrounds are commercial then
>      >> maybe we just add Campsite, and rename CampingPitch to
>     IndividualCampsite:
>      >>
>      >>     Place
>      >>         Accommodation
>      >>             IndividualCampsite
>      >>             Room
>      >>                 HotelRoom
>      >>         Campsite
>      >>             Campground
>      >>             IndividualCampsite
>      >>         LocalBusiness
>      >>             LodgingBusiness
>      >>                 Campground
>      >>                 Hotel
>      >>
>      >>     Organization
>      >>         LocalBusiness
>      >>             LodgingBusiness
>      >>                 Campground
>      >>                 Hotel
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> Anthony
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:05 AM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com
>     <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>
>      >> <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>     Yes, I see the point that the current modeling is not ideal for
>      >>     non-commercial campsites because it adds unnecessary properties.
>      >>     We could solve that by removing the LocalBusiness supertype and
>      >>     instead recommend MTE markup for commercial sites. But there
>     is a
>      >>     trade-off: it will break the hierarchy and make markup more
>      >>     difficult for the commercial ones. The current model is not
>     really
>      >>     problematic for most consumers of the data, it can just be a
>      >>     little inconsistent on the ontological level; but then
>     again, this
>      >>     is no major criterion for schema.org <http://schema.org>
>     <http://schema.org>.
>      >>
>      >>     ---------------------------------------
>      >>     martin hepp
>      >>     www: http://www.heppnetz.de/
>      >>     email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>
>     <mailto:mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>     Am 11.07.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Anthony Moretti
>      >>     <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com> <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>>:
>      >>
>      >>>     Yeah I understand that, but my point is that not all
>     campgrounds
>      >>>     are businesses, i.e. not all are commercial. I definitely
>      >>>     understand the Hotel/HotelRoom difference, the parallel
>     would be
>      >>>     Campsite/IndividualCampsite. I can fill out the hierarchy
>     further
>      >>>     to demonstrate:
>      >>>
>      >>>         Place
>      >>>             Accommodation
>      >>>                 IndividualCampsite
>      >>>                 Room
>      >>>                     HotelRoom
>      >>>             Campsite
>      >>>                 Campground
>      >>>         CommercialCampground
>      >>>                 IndividualCampsite
>      >>>             LocalBusiness
>      >>>                 LodgingBusiness
>      >>>                     CommercialCampground
>      >>>                     Hotel
>      >>>
>      >>>         Organization
>      >>>             LocalBusiness
>      >>>                 LodgingBusiness
>      >>>                     CommercialCampground
>      >>>                     Hotel
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>     Anthony
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>     On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:27 PM Martin Hepp
>     <mfhepp@gmail.com <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>
>      >>>     <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>>         No, the site is a local business, the pitch is not. The
>      >>>         relationship is similar to hotel vs hotel room.
>      >>>
>      >>>         ---------------------------------------
>      >>>         martin hepp
>      >>>         www: http://www.heppnetz.de/
>      >>>         email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>
>     <mailto:mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org>>
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>         Am 11.07.2018 um 08:13 schrieb Anthony Moretti
>      >>>         <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com> <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>     <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>>:
>      >>>
>      >>>>         Could it be that a camping pitch is simply an individual
>      >>>>         campsite (individual in the sense 'indivisible')? And that
>      >>>>         campgrounds are a specific type of campsite, not all being
>      >>>>         businesses either? So something like:
>      >>>>
>      >>>>             Place
>      >>>>                 Accommodation
>      >>>>                     IndividualCampsite
>      >>>>                 Campsite
>      >>>>                     Campground
>      >>>>                     IndividualCampsite
>      >>>>                 LocalBusiness
>      >>>>                     LodgingBusiness
>      >>>>
>      >>>>             Organization
>      >>>>                 LocalBusiness
>      >>>>                     LodgingBusiness
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>         Anthony
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>         On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:07 PM Thad Guidry
>      >>>>         <thadguidry@gmail.com <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >>>>
>      >>>>             Oops, forgot to answer your last question.
>      >>>>
>      >>>>             No.
>      >>>>             We can't have parallel terms.  a spot of fire to
>     gather
>      >>>>             around is a spot of fire to gather around.
>      >>>>             We cannot have a Campsite Type and also have
>      >>>>             CampingPitch Type, since they equate to the same exact
>      >>>>             concept.  And we already agreed they are the same
>     thing,
>      >>>>             just different terms used in different cultures.
>      >>>>             We don't duplicate exact concepts that have different
>      >>>>             terms in different cultures.
>      >>>>             We tell folks that they can say that concepts are the
>      >>>>             same as other concepts through the use of
>      >>>> http://www.schema.org/sameAs property and a few other
>      >>>>             ways, like duplicating "name": or "description" to
>     give
>      >>>>             a term its many names it is known by or multiple
>      >>>>             descriptions. I.E., you can repeat properties to your
>      >>>>             hearts desire with Schema.org <http://Schema.org>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>             -Thad
>      >>>>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Martin Bean
> Director

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