- From: Martin Bean <martin@martinbean.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:05:58 +0100
- To: Simeon Warner <simeon.warner@gmail.com>
- Cc: public-schemaorg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAEvmEvE-Wx=mpMR1U1K3eZXWNEySAtZ8VoD=yubnZckb+42ypw@mail.gmail.com>
I’d say a *CampingSite* has many *CampingSpots*. On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 at 13:41 Simeon Warner <simeon.warner@gmail.com> wrote: > As a native Brit (which I guess makes me a royalist per this thread! > Whatever happened to British English and American English as the usual > terms to distinguish!) who has camped a fair bit, I would say that while > we do pitch a tent the term CampingPitch sounds really odd. I think > British English speakers would find IndividualCampsite more understandable. > > Cheers, > Simeon > > On 7/11/18 3:56 AM, Martin Hepp wrote: > > I would stick with CampingPitch, since the whole concept is mostly > > relevant for Royalist English and Eurocentric campgrounds. > > > > Martin > > --------------------------------------- > > martin hepp > > www: http://www.heppnetz.de/ > > email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org> > > > > > > Am 11.07.2018 um 09:25 schrieb Anthony Moretti > > <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>: > > > >> I can work with that. So if we keep the assumption, for the > >> convenience of businesses, that all campgrounds are commercial then > >> maybe we just add Campsite, and rename CampingPitch to > IndividualCampsite: > >> > >> Place > >> Accommodation > >> IndividualCampsite > >> Room > >> HotelRoom > >> Campsite > >> Campground > >> IndividualCampsite > >> LocalBusiness > >> LodgingBusiness > >> Campground > >> Hotel > >> > >> Organization > >> LocalBusiness > >> LodgingBusiness > >> Campground > >> Hotel > >> > >> > >> Anthony > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:05 AM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com > >> <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Yes, I see the point that the current modeling is not ideal for > >> non-commercial campsites because it adds unnecessary properties. > >> We could solve that by removing the LocalBusiness supertype and > >> instead recommend MTE markup for commercial sites. But there is a > >> trade-off: it will break the hierarchy and make markup more > >> difficult for the commercial ones. The current model is not really > >> problematic for most consumers of the data, it can just be a > >> little inconsistent on the ontological level; but then again, this > >> is no major criterion for schema.org <http://schema.org>. > >> > >> --------------------------------------- > >> martin hepp > >> www: http://www.heppnetz.de/ > >> email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org> > >> > >> > >> Am 11.07.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Anthony Moretti > >> <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>: > >> > >>> Yeah I understand that, but my point is that not all campgrounds > >>> are businesses, i.e. not all are commercial. I definitely > >>> understand the Hotel/HotelRoom difference, the parallel would be > >>> Campsite/IndividualCampsite. I can fill out the hierarchy further > >>> to demonstrate: > >>> > >>> Place > >>> Accommodation > >>> IndividualCampsite > >>> Room > >>> HotelRoom > >>> Campsite > >>> Campground > >>> CommercialCampground > >>> IndividualCampsite > >>> LocalBusiness > >>> LodgingBusiness > >>> CommercialCampground > >>> Hotel > >>> > >>> Organization > >>> LocalBusiness > >>> LodgingBusiness > >>> CommercialCampground > >>> Hotel > >>> > >>> > >>> Anthony > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:27 PM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:mfhepp@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> No, the site is a local business, the pitch is not. The > >>> relationship is similar to hotel vs hotel room. > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------- > >>> martin hepp > >>> www: http://www.heppnetz.de/ > >>> email: mhepp@computer.org <mailto:mhepp@computer.org> > >>> > >>> > >>> Am 11.07.2018 um 08:13 schrieb Anthony Moretti > >>> <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com > >>: > >>> > >>>> Could it be that a camping pitch is simply an individual > >>>> campsite (individual in the sense 'indivisible')? And that > >>>> campgrounds are a specific type of campsite, not all being > >>>> businesses either? So something like: > >>>> > >>>> Place > >>>> Accommodation > >>>> IndividualCampsite > >>>> Campsite > >>>> Campground > >>>> IndividualCampsite > >>>> LocalBusiness > >>>> LodgingBusiness > >>>> > >>>> Organization > >>>> LocalBusiness > >>>> LodgingBusiness > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Anthony > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:07 PM Thad Guidry > >>>> <thadguidry@gmail.com <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Oops, forgot to answer your last question. > >>>> > >>>> No. > >>>> We can't have parallel terms. a spot of fire to gather > >>>> around is a spot of fire to gather around. > >>>> We cannot have a Campsite Type and also have > >>>> CampingPitch Type, since they equate to the same exact > >>>> concept. And we already agreed they are the same thing, > >>>> just different terms used in different cultures. > >>>> We don't duplicate exact concepts that have different > >>>> terms in different cultures. > >>>> We tell folks that they can say that concepts are the > >>>> same as other concepts through the use of > >>>> http://www.schema.org/sameAs property and a few other > >>>> ways, like duplicating "name": or "description" to give > >>>> a term its many names it is known by or multiple > >>>> descriptions. I.E., you can repeat properties to your > >>>> hearts desire with Schema.org <http://Schema.org> > >>>> > >>>> -Thad > >>>> > > > -- Martin Bean Director
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