Re: Eurocentrism, incorrect unit abbreviations, and proprietary Royalist Engish (sic) terms

Yes, I see the point that the current modeling is not ideal for non-commercial campsites because it adds unnecessary properties. We could solve that by removing the LocalBusiness supertype and instead recommend MTE markup for commercial sites. But there is a trade-off: it will break the hierarchy and make markup more difficult for the commercial ones. The current model is not really problematic for most consumers of the data, it can just be a little inconsistent on the ontological level; but then again, this is no major criterion for schema.org.

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martin hepp
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> Am 11.07.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com>:
> 
> Yeah I understand that, but my point is that not all campgrounds are businesses, i.e. not all are commercial. I definitely understand the Hotel/HotelRoom difference, the parallel would be Campsite/IndividualCampsite. I can fill out the hierarchy further to demonstrate:
> 
> Place
>     Accommodation
>         IndividualCampsite
>         Room
>             HotelRoom
>     Campsite
>         Campground
>             CommercialCampground
>         IndividualCampsite
>     LocalBusiness
>         LodgingBusiness
>             CommercialCampground
>             Hotel
> 
> Organization
>     LocalBusiness
>         LodgingBusiness
>             CommercialCampground
>             Hotel
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:27 PM Martin Hepp <mfhepp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No, the site is a local business, the pitch is not. The relationship is similar to hotel vs hotel room.
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>> martin hepp
>> www:  http://www.heppnetz.de/
>> email: mhepp@computer.org
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>>> Am 11.07.2018 um 08:13 schrieb Anthony Moretti <anthony.moretti@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Could it be that a camping pitch is simply an individual campsite (individual in the sense 'indivisible')? And that campgrounds are a specific type of campsite, not all being businesses either? So something like:
>>> 
>>> Place
>>>     Accommodation
>>>         IndividualCampsite
>>>     Campsite
>>>         Campground
>>>         IndividualCampsite
>>>     LocalBusiness
>>>         LodgingBusiness
>>> 
>>> Organization
>>>     LocalBusiness
>>>         LodgingBusiness
>>> 
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 7:07 PM Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Oops, forgot to answer your last question.
>>>> 
>>>> No.
>>>> We can't have parallel terms.  a spot of fire to gather around is a spot of fire to gather around.
>>>> We cannot have a Campsite Type and also have CampingPitch Type, since they equate to the same exact concept.  And we already agreed they are the same thing, just different terms used in different cultures.
>>>> We don't duplicate exact concepts that have different terms in different cultures.
>>>> We tell folks that they can say that concepts are the same as other concepts through the use of http://www.schema.org/sameAs property and a few other ways, like duplicating "name": or "description" to give a term its many names it is known by or multiple descriptions. I.E., you can repeat properties to your hearts desire with Schema.org
>>>> 
>>>> -Thad
>>>>