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Re: Political Rhetoric Vocabulary

From: Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:44:27 -0700
Message-ID: <CAESemU8=LN6YHpFD4cCa0AZKm49EY=naaY2eLEhPz-dASyAcYg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "R.V.Guha" <guha@guha.com>
Cc: Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>, Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this is about
rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the sorts of arguments
and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something along the lines
of AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/

or what this W3C group is working on:
https://www.w3.org/community/argumentation/

Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric

Another way to put it: rhetoric is about *content *and style.

The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events, of venues where
a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of documents a US
President might issue (and others have noted the US-centricity of it).
That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of things Presidents
do in the general domain of speeches and press releases.

It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be narrowed down to
what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought that rhetoric
meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another audience, etc.,
there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care about are chief
executives of countries. That's not even half of the goings-on in the
domain of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing statements
or orders. There are legislators, governors, state legislators, lobbyists,
activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the speeches-and-releases
variety doesn't even come from people in government, but people outside of
it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some important things about
what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it something more like
Political Events or Political Addresses.

By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some point in the
next or so – I own argumentbase.com (there's nothing there yet), but I plan
to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly political in nature),
including evidence quality, which will be very interesting and perilous as
far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious political biases
(I'm the lead author of this paper
<https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/div-classtitlepolitical-diversity-will-improve-social-psychological-sciencea-hrefen01-ref-typefnspan-classsup1spanadiv/A54AD4878AED1AFC8BA6AF54A890149F>,
so I'm always worried about political bias.) I'll need a lot of help to
keep it clean and maximally useful.

Ciao,

Joe

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:

> Absolutely. My hope is to have both.
>
> guha
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific to the country
>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities such as those in
>> this page:
>> https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-gove
>> rnors-deliver-inaugural-speeches
>>
>> --Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both "InauguralAddress" and
>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we adopt a less
>>>> US-centric prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up with
>>>> requests for near-identical classes for many other major countries.
>>>>
>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger set of
>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion of replacing USP
>>> with HOS.
>>>
>>> guha
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Eric Axel Franzon*
>>
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>>
>
>
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