- From: R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com>
- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:55:04 -0700
- To: Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com>
- Cc: Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>, Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CABieRR+tkEja_Pn87sU97=4HPbYdBBMsbwJfyTS22mzW=VOxmA@mail.gmail.com>
You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name for it. guha On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this is about > rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the sorts of arguments > and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something along the lines > of AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/ > > or what this W3C group is working on: https://www.w3.org/ > community/argumentation/ > > Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning: https://www. > merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric > > Another way to put it: rhetoric is about *content *and style. > > The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events, of venues where > a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of documents a US > President might issue (and others have noted the US-centricity of it). > That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of things Presidents > do in the general domain of speeches and press releases. > > It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be narrowed down > to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought that rhetoric > meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another audience, etc., > there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care about are chief > executives of countries. That's not even half of the goings-on in the > domain of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing statements > or orders. There are legislators, governors, state legislators, lobbyists, > activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the speeches-and-releases > variety doesn't even come from people in government, but people outside of > it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some important things about > what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it something more like > Political Events or Political Addresses. > > By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some point in the > next or so – I own argumentbase.com (there's nothing there yet), but I > plan to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly political in > nature), including evidence quality, which will be very interesting and > perilous as far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious > political biases (I'm the lead author of this paper > <https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/div-classtitlepolitical-diversity-will-improve-social-psychological-sciencea-hrefen01-ref-typefnspan-classsup1spanadiv/A54AD4878AED1AFC8BA6AF54A890149F>, > so I'm always worried about political bias.) I'll need a lot of help to > keep it clean and maximally useful. > > Ciao, > > Joe > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote: > >> Absolutely. My hope is to have both. >> >> guha >> >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific to the country >>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities such as those in >>> this page: >>> https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-gove >>> rnors-deliver-inaugural-speeches >>> >>> --Eric >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both "InauguralAddress" and >>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we adopt a less >>>>> US-centric prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up with >>>>> requests for near-identical classes for many other major countries. >>>>> >>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger set of >>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion of replacing USP >>>> with HOS. >>>> >>>> guha >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Eric Axel Franzon* >>> >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/ericfranzon >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/EricAxel >>> G+: http://http://gplus.to/ericfranzon >>> Online Business Card: http://ericaxel.magntize.com >>> >> >> >
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