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Re: Political Rhetoric Vocabulary

From: R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:55:04 -0700
Message-ID: <CABieRR+tkEja_Pn87sU97=4HPbYdBBMsbwJfyTS22mzW=VOxmA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>, Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
You are right. Political Discourse might be a better name for it.

guha

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Joe Duarte <songofapollo@gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, so now that I see the subClasses, I'm not sure this is about
> rhetoric. I thought this vocab was going to be about the sorts of arguments
> and appeals that people make in politics, maybe something along the lines
> of AML: http://www.ai.sri.com/~seas/aml/
>
> or what this W3C group is working on: https://www.w3.org/
> community/argumentation/
>
> Rhetoric is about language, persuasion, and reasoning: https://www.
> merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric
>
> Another way to put it: rhetoric is about *content *and style.
>
> The vocab we have so far seems more like a list of events, of venues where
> a politician might give a speech, as well as a couple of documents a US
> President might issue (and others have noted the US-centricity of it).
> That's not really about rhetoric – that's just a list of things Presidents
> do in the general domain of speeches and press releases.
>
> It also strikes me as odd that Political Rhetoric would be narrowed down
> to what chief executives of a nation do. Even if we thought that rhetoric
> meant giving a speech to this audience, then to another audience, etc.,
> there's no reason to suppose that the only speakers we care about are chief
> executives of countries. That's not even half of the goings-on in the
> domain of politicians going around giving speeches and releasing statements
> or orders. There are legislators, governors, state legislators, lobbyists,
> activists, etc. – a lot of political action of the speeches-and-releases
> variety doesn't even come from people in government, but people outside of
> it. So if this is meant specifically to encode some important things about
> what national chief executives do, I suggest calling it something more like
> Political Events or Political Addresses.
>
> By the way, I'll probably try to dovetail with this at some point in the
> next or so – I own argumentbase.com (there's nothing there yet), but I
> plan to build a schema for arguments and positions (mostly political in
> nature), including evidence quality, which will be very interesting and
> perilous as far as pulling it off without ruining it with unconscious
> political biases (I'm the lead author of this paper
> <https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/div-classtitlepolitical-diversity-will-improve-social-psychological-sciencea-hrefen01-ref-typefnspan-classsup1spanadiv/A54AD4878AED1AFC8BA6AF54A890149F>,
> so I'm always worried about political bias.) I'll need a lot of help to
> keep it clean and maximally useful.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Joe
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:44 AM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely. My hope is to have both.
>>
>> guha
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Eric Franzon <eric.franzon@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My preference is for InauguralAddress, as HOS is specific to the country
>>> level, but I would like to be able to describe entities such as those in
>>> this page:
>>> https://www.westgov.org/news/357-news-2017/1341-western-gove
>>> rnors-deliver-inaugural-speeches
>>>
>>> --Eric
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 3:54 PM, R.V.Guha <guha@guha.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the reasoning behind having both "InauguralAddress" and
>>>>> "USPInauguralAddress"? My concern is that (unless we adopt a less
>>>>> US-centric prefix such as "HOS" - see below) then we will end up with
>>>>> requests for near-identical classes for many other major countries.
>>>>>
>>>> InauguralAddress could potentially cover a much larger set of
>>>> inaugurals. but I completely agree with your suggestion of replacing USP
>>>> with HOS.
>>>>
>>>> guha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>
>>
>
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