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Re: Legal issues and services extension

From: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:44:20 +0000
Message-ID: <CAM1Sok1FDALMZcyRSjPkwqZQbyiWjwEbF5O_qDUS_BP_vQT_zg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Thomas Francart <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
With dan come wisdom.

nonetheless i vote 'law' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law /
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7748 "system of rules and guidelines,
generally backed by governmental authority" in the interests of not having
to complicate matters with similar URIs.

Perhaps a vote (+1/0/-1) would be insightful?

Tim.H.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 22:23 Thomas Francart <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>
wrote:

> Hello
>
>
>
> I’ve been working with courts and legal clinics to create an initial
> classification of the types of information that need to be delivered to
> end-users, as they search for help.
>
> The information classes are in 4 main categories:
>
> 1. Legal conditions (the issues that the legal system can help you solve,
> like needs for a name change, clearing record, starting a company, getting
> a divorce, protection against an abuser, response to eviction, etc. —
> taking how people describe their problems and framing it into legal terms)
> 2. Service providers (the govt., private, non-profit, and online/DIY
> services that can help a person deal with this condition, and where they’re
> located, what their availability is, and what eligibility factors they
> require)
> 3. Legal process (the tasks, forms, deadlines, fees, and other procedural
> information to know to deal with the condition)
> 4. Legal rules/codes (the official, jurisdiction-specific statements from
> the govt. about what is allowed, what rights people have, what duties they
> have, etc.)
>
>
> For your point 4 above, please have a look at the proposed
> legal.schema.org extension :
> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1156 and examples of how to
> describe a legislation in a legal portal using schema.org plus this
> extension at
> http://legal.eli-legislation-schemaorg.appspot.com/Legislation. Please
> contribute if you have comments or ideas.
>
>
> As noted above; why legal rather than law?
>
>
> The proposal adresses only law/legislation, but following this comment
> <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1156#issuecomment-223697081>
> from Dan Brickley we moved it to a broader "legal.schema.org" (as far as
> the proposal is concerned, it doesn't really matter) : "I'm inclined to
> explore this as a foundation for something like "legal.schema.org"
> covering both the description of legislation but also other aspects e.g.
> case law / court documents, which @stuartrobinson
> <https://github.com/stuartrobinson> and others have been looking into.
> That would be consistent with what we've done for the medical/health parts
> of schema.org".
>
> Thomas
>
>
>  the law of the people vs. where's the legal department, amongst the
> considerations of related considerations.
>
> I guess also, 'legal' may relate well to 'terms' applied to websites.  yet
> the actionable use of it would be subject to 'law'.
>
>
>
> The ideal is that search engines can serve jurisdiction-correct,
> official-sourced information about what a person’s problem is in legal
> terms, what the local law says about it, what steps they can take to fix
> it, and who they can reach out to for help.
>
>
> The proposed extension adresses some of these items :
>
>    - the notion of a legal document being "official" or not (a signed PDF
>    document is official, the HTML version is informative only)
>    (legislationLegalValue)
>
> MANU: FYI - perhaps this is a use-case for http-signed (W3C) formats?
>
>
>    -
>    - the notion of a legislation being currently in force or not ("not
>    yet" in force or "not anymore" in force, i.e. abrogated/repealed)
>    (legislationLegalForce)
>    - the applicability area of a legislation (spatialCoverage)
>    - the applicability time span of a legislation (temporalCoverage)
>    - the official service/ministry they can call for question about the
>    legislation (legislationResponsible)
>
> We want also to give the ability for search engines to serve
> "jusrisdiction-correct", "official-sourced" and currently-applicable
> legislation documents.
>
> Thomas
>
> Tim.H.
>
>
> The legal rules/codes schema may be covered by the wiki categories, and
> the service providers may be covered by existing schema.org.
>
> Let me know what you think! Best, Margaret
>
>
> On November 13, 2016 at 9:16:24 AM, Timothy Holborn (
> timothy.holborn@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
> I have a feeling this may be better refined as civics.schema.org
>
> A few links:
> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1337
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Civics
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rights
> However i also understand some forms of lawPractice are far less 'civics'
> related than others.  The use-cases you've illustrated are well within the
> civics domain, i'd also add homelessness and amenities (which in-turn have
> local laws attributed, for instance),
>
> and am otherwise interested to hear your thoughts.
>
> It is very early morning here.  can respond with more info later today.
>
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 03:20 Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew of an extension for legal issues, rules,
> and/or services.
>
> I work at Stanford Law & d.school, and I’ve got support to build out an
> extension for information about common legal help conditions, like
> evictions, domestic violence protection, and clearing your criminal record.
> The goal is to offer reliable information akin to the medical/health
> extension.
>
> I wanted to check if there’s anyone else who has been working on a similar
> law extension, so I’m not duplicating efforts.
>
> Thanks! Best, Margaret
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Thomas Francart* -* SPARNA*
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> *connaissances*
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> francartthomas
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Thomas Francart* -* SPARNA*
> Web de *données* | Architecture de l'*information* | Accès aux
> *connaissances*
> blog : blog.sparna.fr, site : sparna.fr, linkedin :
> fr.linkedin.com/in/thomasfrancart
> tel :  +33 (0)6.71.11.25.97 <+33%206%2071%2011%2025%2097>, skype :
> francartthomas
>
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