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Re: Legal issues and services extension

From: Thomas Francart <thomas.francart@sparna.fr>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:23:27 +0100
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To: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu>, "schema.org Mailing List" <public-schemaorg@w3.org>
Hello


>>
>> I’ve been working with courts and legal clinics to create an initial
>> classification of the types of information that need to be delivered to
>> end-users, as they search for help.
>>
>> The information classes are in 4 main categories:
>>
>> 1. Legal conditions (the issues that the legal system can help you solve,
>> like needs for a name change, clearing record, starting a company, getting
>> a divorce, protection against an abuser, response to eviction, etc. —
>> taking how people describe their problems and framing it into legal terms)
>> 2. Service providers (the govt., private, non-profit, and online/DIY
>> services that can help a person deal with this condition, and where they’re
>> located, what their availability is, and what eligibility factors they
>> require)
>> 3. Legal process (the tasks, forms, deadlines, fees, and other procedural
>> information to know to deal with the condition)
>> 4. Legal rules/codes (the official, jurisdiction-specific statements from
>> the govt. about what is allowed, what rights people have, what duties they
>> have, etc.)
>>
>>
>> For your point 4 above, please have a look at the proposed
>> legal.schema.org extension : https://github.com/schemaorg/
>> schemaorg/issues/1156 and examples of how to describe a legislation in a
>> legal portal using schema.org plus this extension at
>> http://legal.eli-legislation-schemaorg.appspot.com/Legislation. Please
>> contribute if you have comments or ideas.
>>
>
> As noted above; why legal rather than law?
>

The proposal adresses only law/legislation, but following this comment
<https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1156#issuecomment-223697081>
from Dan Brickley we moved it to a broader "legal.schema.org" (as far as
the proposal is concerned, it doesn't really matter) : "I'm inclined to
explore this as a foundation for something like "legal.schema.org" covering
both the description of legislation but also other aspects e.g. case law /
court documents, which @stuartrobinson <https://github.com/stuartrobinson>
and others have been looking into. That would be consistent with what we've
done for the medical/health parts of schema.org".

Thomas


>  the law of the people vs. where's the legal department, amongst the
> considerations of related considerations.
>
> I guess also, 'legal' may relate well to 'terms' applied to websites.  yet
> the actionable use of it would be subject to 'law'.
>
>
>>
>> The ideal is that search engines can serve jurisdiction-correct,
>> official-sourced information about what a person’s problem is in legal
>> terms, what the local law says about it, what steps they can take to fix
>> it, and who they can reach out to for help.
>>
>>
>> The proposed extension adresses some of these items :
>>
>>    - the notion of a legal document being "official" or not (a signed
>>    PDF document is official, the HTML version is informative only)
>>    (legislationLegalValue)
>>
>> MANU: FYI - perhaps this is a use-case for http-signed (W3C) formats?
>
>>
>>    -
>>    - the notion of a legislation being currently in force or not ("not
>>    yet" in force or "not anymore" in force, i.e. abrogated/repealed)
>>    (legislationLegalForce)
>>    - the applicability area of a legislation (spatialCoverage)
>>    - the applicability time span of a legislation (temporalCoverage)
>>    - the official service/ministry they can call for question about the
>>    legislation (legislationResponsible)
>>
>> We want also to give the ability for search engines to serve
>> "jusrisdiction-correct", "official-sourced" and currently-applicable
>> legislation documents.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> Tim.H.
>
>>
>> The legal rules/codes schema may be covered by the wiki categories, and
>> the service providers may be covered by existing schema.org.
>>
>> Let me know what you think! Best, Margaret
>>
>>
>> On November 13, 2016 at 9:16:24 AM, Timothy Holborn (
>> timothy.holborn@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Margaret,
>>
>> I have a feeling this may be better refined as civics.schema.org
>>
>> A few links:
>> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1337
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Civics
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rights
>> However i also understand some forms of lawPractice are far less 'civics'
>> related than others.  The use-cases you've illustrated are well within the
>> civics domain, i'd also add homelessness and amenities (which in-turn have
>> local laws attributed, for instance),
>>
>> and am otherwise interested to hear your thoughts.
>>
>> It is very early morning here.  can respond with more info later today.
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 03:20 Margaret Hagan <mdhagan@stanford.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew of an extension for legal issues, rules,
>> and/or services.
>>
>> I work at Stanford Law & d.school, and I’ve got support to build out an
>> extension for information about common legal help conditions, like
>> evictions, domestic violence protection, and clearing your criminal record.
>> The goal is to offer reliable information akin to the medical/health
>> extension.
>>
>> I wanted to check if there’s anyone else who has been working on a
>> similar law extension, so I’m not duplicating efforts.
>>
>> Thanks! Best, Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>


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