Re: Suggestion for new category

Shooting from the hip on this - which is where some worked through examples
would help….

I would see:

   - Hamlet by Will Shakespeare to be a Play (subtype of CreativeWork) - P1
   - - workExample P2
   - The 2016 production of Hamlet from the RSC to be a Play P2
      - - exampleOfWork P1
   - The 2016 Season of Hamlet at Stratford-upon-avon to be an Event - E1
      - - workPerformed P2
      - - subEvent E2
   - The March 12th 7:15pm performance to be an Event E2
      - - workPerformed P2
      - - superEvent E1

~Richard


Richard Wallis
Founder, Data Liberate
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On 3 March 2016 at 15:49, Pete Rivett <pete.rivett@adaptive.com> wrote:

> So would a production be an Event (with start and end dates representing
> the whole run) with the performances on specific days as subEvents?
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> [I guess this is akin to a movie being shown at the same theater for 2
> weeks].
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> Can one rely on properties (such as workPerformed, location, performer,
> duration) being derived from the superEvent (production) without needing to
> be repeated for each subEvent (performance)?
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> BTW it seems that the property firstPerformance is too restrictively typed
> to MusicComposition. Given that workPerformed has type CreativeWork, then
> surely firstPerformance should be a property of CreativeWork.
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> Pete
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> *From:* Richard Wallis [mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2016 7:19 AM
> *To:* Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu>
> *Cc:* public-schemaorg@w3.org; Myung-Ja Han <mhan3@illinois.edu>; Sarol,
> Maria Janina Dela Cruz <mjsarol@illinois.edu>; Kinnaman, Alex Olivia <
> kinnama2@illinois.edu>; Cole, Timothy W <t-cole3@illinois.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Suggestion for new category
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> You are right to identify the differences between ‘the play’, productions
> of the play, and performances of the production.
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> Much of the structure of this is availably via CreativeWork properties
> such as hasPart, isPartOf, exampleOfWork, workExample, plus the temporal
> aspects of Role that would allow you to associate individual contributors
> to specific stages of the process.
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> Based upon established Schema.org patterns, I would advise separating the
> event (place/time) aspects from the Creative aspects.
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> As to associating elements of the process that contributed to the combined
> work, but not part of the final play - I think that is down to how you
> describe those individual preproduction parts.
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> Working on some examples as was done for Books, Articles, TVSeries &
> TVSeason, etc. would help work through these questions and help support a
> proposal for a Play type
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> ~Richard.
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> Richard Wallis
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> Founder, Data Liberate
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> http://dataliberate.com
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> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
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> Twitter: @rjw
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> On 3 March 2016 at 14:54, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu> wrote:
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> That makes perfect sense. However, if we go the 'isPartOf' route don't we
> loose the contextual component that set and costume sketches and
> photographs play in the development of the production? I.e., they are not
> parts of the finished work -- the play -- per se but are deeply involved in
> the evolution of a performance of the final product.
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> Wouldn't it make more sense if they were parts of particular Theatrical
> Events, as just like the performers of said events, costumes and set
> designs can also vary from performance to performance of the same play.
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> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Richard Wallis <
> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
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> Not wishing to overload CreativeWork in the subtypes department, but
> ‘Play’ does seem to be an obvious missing candidate.
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> I don’t really think the ’Stage’ qualification is necessary. Most of the
> properties you reference would be inherited from CreativeWork.  The
> exceptions being some of the more specific contributors such as
> StageDesigner and WadrobeKeeper.   These could be handled as per some of
> the roles in the movie industry are - using the Role
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__schema.org_Role&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=5tMndZFeOWtA7vej-9XwBZdhVTmH18Mj5t17yfmtpCo&s=5O53HrBuYZ2xJ8k-qXNdxOWXiTOMowrhAlGWPP953a8&e=>
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> You could then connect the individual performances to the Play using
> TheaterEvent if appropriate using the workPerformed property.
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> On 3 March 2016 at 14:27, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu> wrote:
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> We have a similar use case but also need to account for things like
> costume sketches and photographs (and same for storyboards, set designs,
> etc.). Should we just extend the TheaterEvent with new predicates?
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> Most if not all of those things would be CreativeWorks or subtypes
> thereof, in their own right and could be considered ‘isPartOf’ of the play.
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> ~Richard
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> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Tim Turner <tturner@flumc.org> wrote:
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> There is a TheaterEvent that could be expanded from this list.
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> https://schema.org/TheaterEvent
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__schema.org_TheaterEvent&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=5tMndZFeOWtA7vej-9XwBZdhVTmH18Mj5t17yfmtpCo&s=aa63bKAMCvVjSnfsJFaXpaSAqbwat8spFGjc7owW85E&e=>
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> *From:* Webmestre Globetrottoirs [mailto:webmaster@globetrottoirs.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 1:05 PM
> *To:* public-schemaorg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Suggestion for new category
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> Hello,
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> I am working on a theater group website.
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> When trying to code micro-data, I felt that the following schema is
> missing.
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> In the “Creativework” schema, could we add “TheaterPlay”, which would have
> the following properties :
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> *Name* – expected type : text – description : the name of the play
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> *Author* – expected type : text – description : the author of the play
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> *Director* – expected type : text – description : the person who directed
> the play
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> *Actor* – expected type : text – description : the actors of the play
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> *Character* – expected type : text – description : the characters of the
> play
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> *Composer* – expected type : text – description : the composer of the
> music used in the play
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> *Genre* – expected type : text – description : the genre of the play (eg
> : musical theatre, gesture theatre, pantomime, …)
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> *StageDesigner* – expected type : text – description : the person who
> designed the settings
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> *WardrobeKeeper* – expected type : text – description : the person who
> designed or created the wardrobe.
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> It could be also usefull to create schema related to dance or mime, etc…
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> Do you think it is possible to do this ?
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> Thank you for your answer.
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> Sincerely.
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> Stéphane Reboul
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