Re: Suggestion for new category

Richard's from-the-hip approach makes a lot of sense to me. Jacob, could
you then mark up the stage notes as a unique Creative work and tie it to
Richard's example using the mentions property (https://schema.org/mentions)
if it were inherited by Event/TheaterEvent as it is by CreativeWork? It
looks to me that adding "mentions" and "about" as inherited properties of
Event would add some desired options.

Cheers,
--Eric

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Richard Wallis <
richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:

> Shooting from the hip on this - which is where some worked through
> examples would help….
>
> I would see:
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>    - Hamlet by Will Shakespeare to be a Play (subtype of CreativeWork) -
>    P1
>    - - workExample P2
>    - The 2016 production of Hamlet from the RSC to be a Play P2
>       - - exampleOfWork P1
>    - The 2016 Season of Hamlet at Stratford-upon-avon to be an Event - E1
>       - - workPerformed P2
>       - - subEvent E2
>    - The March 12th 7:15pm performance to be an Event E2
>       - - workPerformed P2
>       - - superEvent E1
>
> ~Richard
>
>
> Richard Wallis
> Founder, Data Liberate
> http://dataliberate.com
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
> Twitter: @rjw
>
> On 3 March 2016 at 15:49, Pete Rivett <pete.rivett@adaptive.com> wrote:
>
>> So would a production be an Event (with start and end dates representing
>> the whole run) with the performances on specific days as subEvents?
>>
>> [I guess this is akin to a movie being shown at the same theater for 2
>> weeks].
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>> Can one rely on properties (such as workPerformed, location, performer,
>> duration) being derived from the superEvent (production) without needing to
>> be repeated for each subEvent (performance)?
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>> BTW it seems that the property firstPerformance is too restrictively
>> typed to MusicComposition. Given that workPerformed has type CreativeWork,
>> then surely firstPerformance should be a property of CreativeWork.
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>> Pete
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>> *From:* Richard Wallis [mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2016 7:19 AM
>> *To:* Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu>
>> *Cc:* public-schemaorg@w3.org; Myung-Ja Han <mhan3@illinois.edu>; Sarol,
>> Maria Janina Dela Cruz <mjsarol@illinois.edu>; Kinnaman, Alex Olivia <
>> kinnama2@illinois.edu>; Cole, Timothy W <t-cole3@illinois.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: Suggestion for new category
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>> You are right to identify the differences between ‘the play’, productions
>> of the play, and performances of the production.
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>> Much of the structure of this is availably via CreativeWork properties
>> such as hasPart, isPartOf, exampleOfWork, workExample, plus the temporal
>> aspects of Role that would allow you to associate individual contributors
>> to specific stages of the process.
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>> Based upon established Schema.org patterns, I would advise separating the
>> event (place/time) aspects from the Creative aspects.
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>> As to associating elements of the process that contributed to the
>> combined work, but not part of the final play - I think that is down to how
>> you describe those individual preproduction parts.
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>> Working on some examples as was done for Books, Articles, TVSeries &
>> TVSeason, etc. would help work through these questions and help support a
>> proposal for a Play type
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>> ~Richard.
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>> Richard Wallis
>>
>> Founder, Data Liberate
>>
>> http://dataliberate.com
>>
>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>>
>> Twitter: @rjw
>>
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>> On 3 March 2016 at 14:54, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>> That makes perfect sense. However, if we go the 'isPartOf' route don't we
>> loose the contextual component that set and costume sketches and
>> photographs play in the development of the production? I.e., they are not
>> parts of the finished work -- the play -- per se but are deeply involved in
>> the evolution of a performance of the final product.
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>> Wouldn't it make more sense if they were parts of particular Theatrical
>> Events, as just like the performers of said events, costumes and set
>> designs can also vary from performance to performance of the same play.
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>> _____________________________________________________
>>
>> Jacob Jett
>> Research Assistant
>> Center for Informatics Research in Science and Scholarship
>> The Graduate School of Library and Information Science
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Richard Wallis <
>> richard.wallis@dataliberate.com> wrote:
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>> Not wishing to overload CreativeWork in the subtypes department, but
>> ‘Play’ does seem to be an obvious missing candidate.
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>> I don’t really think the ’Stage’ qualification is necessary. Most of the
>> properties you reference would be inherited from CreativeWork.  The
>> exceptions being some of the more specific contributors such as
>> StageDesigner and WadrobeKeeper.   These could be handled as per some of
>> the roles in the movie industry are - using the Role
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__schema.org_Role&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=5tMndZFeOWtA7vej-9XwBZdhVTmH18Mj5t17yfmtpCo&s=5O53HrBuYZ2xJ8k-qXNdxOWXiTOMowrhAlGWPP953a8&e=>
>> construct.
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>> You could then connect the individual performances to the Play using
>> TheaterEvent if appropriate using the workPerformed property.
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>> On 3 March 2016 at 14:27, Jacob Jett <jjett2@illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>> We have a similar use case but also need to account for things like
>> costume sketches and photographs (and same for storyboards, set designs,
>> etc.). Should we just extend the TheaterEvent with new predicates?
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>> Most if not all of those things would be CreativeWorks or subtypes
>> thereof, in their own right and could be considered ‘isPartOf’ of the play.
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>> ~Richard
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>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Tim Turner <tturner@flumc.org> wrote:
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>> There is a TheaterEvent that could be expanded from this list.
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>> https://schema.org/TheaterEvent
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__schema.org_TheaterEvent&d=BQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=npggDwlZ6PziBzPBZthSo0f8iGOgRMf9ulO6o4WwfiA&m=5tMndZFeOWtA7vej-9XwBZdhVTmH18Mj5t17yfmtpCo&s=aa63bKAMCvVjSnfsJFaXpaSAqbwat8spFGjc7owW85E&e=>
>>
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>> *From:* Webmestre Globetrottoirs [mailto:webmaster@globetrottoirs.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 02, 2016 1:05 PM
>> *To:* public-schemaorg@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Suggestion for new category
>>
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>> Hello,
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>> I am working on a theater group website.
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>> When trying to code micro-data, I felt that the following schema is
>> missing.
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>> In the “Creativework” schema, could we add “TheaterPlay”, which would
>> have the following properties :
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>> *Name* – expected type : text – description : the name of the play
>>
>> *Author* – expected type : text – description : the author of the play
>>
>> *Director* – expected type : text – description : the person who
>> directed the play
>>
>> *Actor* – expected type : text – description : the actors of the play
>>
>> *Character* – expected type : text – description : the characters of the
>> play
>>
>> *Composer* – expected type : text – description : the composer of the
>> music used in the play
>>
>> *Genre* – expected type : text – description : the genre of the play (eg
>> : musical theatre, gesture theatre, pantomime, …)
>>
>> *StageDesigner* – expected type : text – description : the person who
>> designed the settings
>>
>> *WardrobeKeeper* – expected type : text – description : the person who
>> designed or created the wardrobe.
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>> It could be also usefull to create schema related to dance or mime, etc…
>>
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>> Do you think it is possible to do this ?
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>> Thank you for your answer.
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>> Sincerely.
>>
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>>
>> Stéphane Reboul
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