Re: journal article for next call?

Sorry I only managed to get on the very end of the call so you may well have covered this in your discussions.

I can see the motivation, but I think that its misleading in other ways - especially as the issue will have a physical manifestation in some cases.
I'd argue that the issue is a creative work - especially if we are talking about issues of less "academic" periodicals - for example the January issue of Wired is surely a creative work in it's own right? The issues will have editorials which are based around the issue, although they are obviously creative works in their own right as well.
We also hit the problem of dealing with edited monographs where each chapter is originally an article published elsewhere - how do these differ from a journal issue in terms of creativity? (they differ in other ways of course - not least in their relationship to a 'journal')

So - I think while for some issues I'd agree the creativity involved in building the issue is minimal, I don't think this applies across the board and I don't fancy getting into debates as to which issues are creative and which are not!

In terms of pagination going into CreativeWork I don't feel strongly - there are plenty of properties on CreativeWork that don't apply to all more specific types under CreativeWork so I don't see a particular problem there if the wider community is OK with it. It would apply to book chapters if there is markup for those in the future which would be nice.

Finally I can't say I'm keen on Issuance although it's not something I'd lose sleep over. Perhaps something like 'PublicationIssue' might work?

Owen

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On 21 Nov 2013, at 14:30, Dan Scott <denials@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Owen Stephens <owen@ostephens.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for this Dan. I'm afraid I can't make the call today but I had a
>> question - why is 'Issuance' under 'Intangible' and not 'CreativeWork'?
> 
> Great question Owen!
> 
> My rationale was that I was hoping to avoid the mass of properties you
> inherit from CreativeWork, with the goal of guiding users of these
> types towards consistent usage patterns (that is to say, keeping data
> about the Periodical at the Periodical level, and data about the
> Article at the Article level, and keeping a bare minimum of data at
> the Issuance level). Of the CreativeWork properties, "datePublished"
> was the most obviously useful one.
> 
> Last night I was musing that "editor" may also come into play at the
> level of a given Issuance and probably should be drafted into Issuance
> as well; but the rest of the properties seem more appropriate to be
> applied to the Periodical as a whole, or to the individual Articles
> within the given Issuance.
> 
> I thought the Series / Episode pattern might be instructive for our
> Periodical / Issuance. Episode inherits from CreativeWork, but the
> more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that an Episode really
> is a standalone CreativeWork, whereas a given issue of a periodical is
> generally not much more than a collection of individual CreativeWorks.
> To be sure, the editor of a given issue does put their stamp on the
> end result, puts in a tremendous amount of labour coordinating efforts
> of the various contributors, and often guides the subject matter
> chosen for that issue, but it seems like a stretch to call the issue a
> CreativeWork.
> 
> However, if we do opt to go with the "Issuance inherits from
> CreativeWork" route, then I would argue that "pagination" should
> simply be added to CreativeWork. (Yes, this leads to movies or
> sculptures with paginations... ah well, maybe it's a flip-book
> animation, or a sculpture made out of numbered pieces of paper!)
> 
> One other note on naming: I went with "Issuance" rather than "Issue"
> to avoid claiming the namespace that might also be desired by bug
> trackers or international policy metadata. Those in a position of
> marking up individual issues of a periodical seem likely to be able to
> deal with "Issuance" as a term.
> 
> Dan