Re: InstanceOf/derivativeOf

My formatting got screwed by the email system, so I attach a screenshot of
what I intended.

~Richard.



On 24/03/2013 23:14, "Richard Wallis" <richard.wallis@oclc.org> wrote:

>I tend to hold the same suspicions as Antoine as to the content of those
>'few drinks'. I believe your wife was nearer with oneOf.  However, I'm not
>sure either convey the meaning of the generic relationship we are trying
>to achieve.
>
>Personally the test I apply to these is to imagine a set of 3 or more
>CreativeWorks thus:
>
>      >hasInstance           >hasInstance         >hasInstance
>>hasInstance
>     /            \         /             \      /             \
>/             \
>Story           Story-in-English       Story-in-Book
>Story-in-pbk-book     story-in-book-in-library
>     \             /        \             /      \             /
>\             /
>      isInstanceOf<          isInstanceOf<        isInstanceOf<
>isInstanceOf<
>
>I know this is stretching it a bit, but doing this tends to highlight
>where focussing in on individual use-cases hides where things are not
>appropriate elsewhere.  In the above example I believe 'instance' works as
>a broad compromise, where as 'record', 'derivation', 'expression',
>'realisation', and others seem to possibly work better in one area but
>much worse in others.
>
>~Richard. 
>
>
>
>On 24/03/2013 12:25, "Young,Jeff (OR)" <jyoung@oclc.org> wrote:
>
>>The thing I like about UNIMARC Authorities is that they have the notion
>>of a "primary entity" which is the thing the record represents. If you
>>look in the same places in MARC21 Authorities you'll find a tautology.
>>:-/
>>
>>Sent from my iPad
>>
>>On Mar 24, 2013, at 7:58 AM, "Antoine Isaac" <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure I prefer these ones...
>>> 
>>> PS: "record", really? Did your glasses contain MARC brandy? ;-)
>>>(https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_%28eau-de-vie%29)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I described the general situation to my wife and she suggested the
>>>>alternative: "oneOf". Hmm.
>>>> 
>>>> After a few more drinks, we finally agreed on "isRecordOf". ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 8:26 AM, "Wallis,Richard"<Richard.Wallis@oclc.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have renamed the Work-Instance proposal to a more generic
>>>>>CreativeWork 
>>>>>Relationships<http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/CreativeWor
>>>>>k
>>>>>_Relationships> to remove the associations with those words in FRBR,
>>>>>BIBFRAME etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In yesterday's meeting we suggested that instanceOf&  hasInstance
>>>>>should be renamed to derivativeOf&  hasDerivative.  However discussion
>>>>>on list has moved away from that idea so I have left it as is for the
>>>>>moment.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suggest we try some more examples and look at the wording.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think we have general agreement about the need for these
>>>>>properties. It is the names we need to settle, and appropriate
>>>>>examples to test them against and use for explanation in the proposal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ~Richard
>>>>> 
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