- From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:20:01 -0800
- To: "public-schemabibex@w3.org" <public-schemabibex@w3.org>
After my last identifier post, Richard and I got into a long off-list
conversation that should have taken place on-list. I'll try to bring it
back.
Look at:
<http://bowker.com/identifiers/isbn/9780553479430>
a skos:Concept;
schema:name "9780553479430";
schema:inScheme <http://bowker.com/concept-scheme/isbn> ;
schema:focus <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520>.
<http://bowker.com/concept-scheme/isbn>
a skos:ConceptScheme;
schema:name "ISBN Identifier Scheme".
which is on our identifier page. http://tinyurl.com/balwg8h
It was my impression that the identifier property was needed only for
those identifiers that do not have a URI. Ones I can think of include
the government document numbers issued by the US gov't printing agency,
and the music publisher numbers.
Government doc no.
Y 4.B 22/3:S.HRG.104-869/V.1-
Publisher no.
M 640 Victor (set : manual sequence)
15827 Victor
Essentially, we need to be able to carry the context/authority along
with the identifier so you know whose identifier it is.
In the above example from the page, the ISBN, we have learned, *does*
have a URI and therefore should not need any further information.
However, Richard has stated to me that:
*****
"The ISBN is a string of characters (in ISBN scheme that Bowkers administer)
that they have issued to represent the book - it is not the book.
The WorldCat URI identifies the Book.
Follow this bit of logic, using your assumption.
<http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520>
a schema:Book;
schema:isbn <http://bowker.com/isbn/9780553479430>;
schema:name "War and Peace".
<http://bowker.com/isbn/9780553479430>
a schema:Book;
schema:name "War and Peace";
owl:sameAs <http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/38264520>.
This in effect is saying that the isbn is a Book. You end up in a circular
loop.
The WorldCat URI is just that, a URI that represents the book.
An ISBN URI is a URI that represents the string of characters that have
been assigned.
*****
So the difference in viewpoint here is that I consider the ISBN (whether
as a URI or not) to be an identifier for the book. Richard's view is
that the ISBN URI is an identifier for the ISBN. Thus the example on the
page.
I think that much of the confusion here has to do with equating SKOS and
URIs for strings. However, I do not see identifiers as skos:concept.
They are identifiers. Thus an ISBN is a Book, and for use an ISBN in URI
form is as much a Book as a Worldcat ID or an LCCN or a National
Bibliographic Number.
That's it in a nutshell.
kc
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