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Re: Course, a new dawn?

From: Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:49:51 +0000
Message-ID: <CAD47Kz5cGcR6xf=8tyv_08S+Q0vsKxL0G_YR4O4CKi3f9_ywag@mail.gmail.com>
To: Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
Cc: Stuart Sutton <sasutton@dublincore.net>, Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com>, Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com>, "public-schema-course-extend@w3.org" <public-schema-course-extend@w3.org>
| But see also the difficult cases of courses that aren’t events that have
different modes in the email I just sent.


Making CourseInstance a subtype of Event does not mean that each actual
instance described *must* have start/end dates etc.

An online course instance may have a startDate but no location or endDate.
It may however have a url, which a face to face course instance would not.

If CourseInstance has a mode of delivery property you would not need to
create a Course for each delivery type.  Yet it would be consistent across
all the instances of a Course - the fact that one or more of the instances
does not have a location/time associated, would be just a matter of markup.

I think we are looking for, and getting close to, a simple-ish pragmatic
structure that can handle our many use cases and international styles.   It
may not be as ontologically pure as some of us would like, but if it does
the job I am sure it is something we can live with.

~Richard.

Richard Wallis
Founder, Data Liberate
http://dataliberate.com
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On 2 March 2016 at 14:55, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Jim, Stuart sure, it's there :) and thanks Jim for the CEDS vocabulary
> values. Is that the full set?
>
> Just before the "cost" thread blew up last week I suggested deliveryMode
> as a property of what is currently CourseInstance, see
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schema-course-extend/2016Feb/0070.html
>
> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Outline_use_cases#use_case_1.6_refining_UC1_by_mode_of_study
> http://course.schema-course-extend-vthprop.appspot.com/courseMode
>
> But see also the difficult cases of courses that aren't events that have
> different modes in the email I just sent
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 02/03/16 14:49, Stuart Sutton wrote:
>
> +1 And join Jim's question.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Jim Goodell <jgoodell2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I like it!
>>
>>
>> ...For CourseInstance have we ruled out adding a deliveryMode property
>> (online, face-to-face, blended...)?
>>
>>
>> https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161#FaceToFace
>> <https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161#BlendedLearning>
>> https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161#Online
>> <https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161#BlendedLearning>
>> https://ceds.ed.gov/element/001161#BlendedLearning
>>
>> Jim
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
>> *To:* Vicki Tardif Holland < <vtardif@google.com>vtardif@google.com>
>> *Cc:* Richard Wallis <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>; "
>> public-schema-course-extend@w3.org" <public-schema-course-extend@w3.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:17 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Course, a new dawn?
>>
>> On 01/03/16 13:57, Vicki Tardif Holland wrote:
>>
>> This approach looks good to me.
>>
>> Using something like "hasCourseInstance" as the property name has been
>> the way we have gotten around the issue of having properties and types
>> differ only by upper/lower case.
>>
>> Good idea, I have done that.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Phil Barker           @philbarker
>> LRMI, Cetis, ICBL     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>> Heriot-Watt University
>>
>> Ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/456/
>>   not so much an operating system as a learning opportunity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> Phil Barker           @philbarker
> LRMI, Cetis, ICBL     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
> Heriot-Watt University
>
> Ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/456/
>   not so much an operating system as a learning opportunity.
>
>
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