Re: schema-course-extend: credential or award offered through course.

Seeing the somewhat involved discussion around the description of
credentials I envisage either the overall Course proposal (V1.0) being
delayed by it or; the credential proposals not being addressed fully.

Pragmatically I propose that initially the property is defined with a
rangeIncludes of Text & URL.  This will provide the initial ability to at
least reference credentials.  Following on, a full broad discussion will
result in a well thought through proposal for a new Credential [or
alternatively named] Type.  Part of that proposal being to extend the range
of the Course property to include this new type.

As to the currently proposed Course property name ‘grantsCredential’, we
still have the question of if ‘credential’ is a good term.  Even if we
agree it is, I have a concern about ‘grants’.   The Course does not *grant* a
qualification, that is done by an organisation - completing/passing the
course leads to the granting of the associated qualification.

~Richard.

Richard Wallis
Founder, Data Liberate
http://dataliberate.com
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On 16 June 2016 at 09:40, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> Hello all, [apologies if you receive this twice, the message I sent
> yesterday seems to have disappeared]
>
> We have a use case for the schema course extension that user should be
> able to find a course that offers a qualification the searcher would like
> to acquire hence a requirement that it must be able to identify the
> qualification offered to those completing a course, see
> http://bit.ly/sce-us2 .
>
> The current proposal has a grantsCredential property of Course with
> expected (but undefined) type of Credential see,
> http://course.schema-course-extend.appspot.com/grantsCredential
>
> There has been quite an involved discussion on github over the last few
> weeks around how to describe credentials, starting at
> https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/195#issuecomment-220588244
> The modelling of qualifications, awards, credentials clearly goes beyond
> the modelling of courses and is being addressed else where (see the git hub
> conversation for references to Credential Transparency Initiative,
> OpenBadges, blockchain in credentialling etc.)
>
> I would like to gauge opinion on two issues:
> 1. the name credential is proving problematic as to many it associates
> with security credential, cryptography, etc. It would be useful to find an
> alternative.
>
> 2. What is the minimum that we need to do in order to deal with the link
> from Courses to credential/qualification/award offered in such a way that
> it meets our use case and can be picked up by those looking specifically at
> educational credentials.
>
> Bear in mind Richard Wallis's advice of last week concerning "what should
> be in Course 1.0" where he advises that fine detail be left for future
> refinements.
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-schema-course-extend/2016Jun/0015.html
>
> I am hoping that the answer is something like a property of course called
> something like grantsCredential or offersEducationalAward which has an
> expected type text or CreativeWork or a named but otherwise empty subtype
> of CreativeWork.
>
>
> Phil
>
>
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