Re: Proposal: starting document for what we cover.

Yes please! 
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On February 5, 2016 7:54:12 PM GMT, Vicki Tardif Holland <vtardif@google.com> wrote:
>I have been working through some use cases for degree programs. Would
>it be
>useful for me to share what I have drafted so far?
>
>- Vicki
>
>Vicki Tardif Holland | Ontologist | vtardif@google.com
>
>
>On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 03/02/16 13:31, Stuart Sutton wrote:
>>
>> Phil, one question regarding the scope and definition. There has been
>> discussion of the notion of program/course of study (variously
>named...even
>> called simply course). The scope can be inferred to include
>description of
>> programs of study from: (1) the definition, "An educational course is
>> defined as a sequence of events and/or creative works which aims to
>build
>> knowledge, competency and ability of learners" and (2)  Use Case #8
>(set of
>> courses); and (3) from several of the examples (physics at U of
>Bristol)
>> and the program of study in Dental Assisting (and associated course).
>>
>> Personally, I'd like to see the scope inclusion of both course and
>> program/course of study made explicit as opposed to being inferred,
>and, as
>> a result, subject to speculation and debate.
>>
>> Yes, now is the time to debate whether tracks/programs are in scope.
>If
>> they are that should be explicit
>>
>> Like you I think they should be.
>>
>> Whether we need a distinct type for programmes or whether having a
>course
>> which includes courses is sensible or sufficient is something we
>should
>> discuss later.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:36 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> OK, thanks for the feedback. No one said that they objected to using
>the
>>> outline use cases as a starting point for discussion, so that is
>what we
>>> will do.
>>>
>>> I hope we can deal with most of the use cases as separate issues,
>with a
>>> short discussion thread about each one leading to a worked example
>of how
>>> the proposal would deal with it. I'll start a tracking issue in
>Github
>>> which mirrors these use cases and some of the bigger picture issues
>(e.g.
>>> is a course a creative work or an intangible, do we need Course and
>>> CourseOffering as separate types) to keep a liaison point with the
>main
>>> schema.org activity. I also want to check that there is nothing
>missing,
>>> and that the basic scope is agreed. SO:
>>>
>>> *Question: *looking at the use cases, scope description and
>definition
>>> of an educational course, does anyone want to suggest any changes,
>>> additions, deletions...
>>>
>>> Scope and definition are here:
>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Main_Page>
>>> https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Main_Page
>>> Outline use cases here:
>>>
>https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Outline_use_cases
>>>
>>> I have "retired" the google doc: you can view but not edit it, and
>there
>>> is link pointing people from there to the wiki.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> On 29/01/16 09:53, Richard Wallis wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for the W3C Wiki.
>>>
>>> Not only will it help discussion and examples, but it can become an
>>> easily discovered source of practice and background that can remain
>well
>>> after any extension(s) are adopted.
>>>
>>> ~Richard.
>>>
>>> Richard Wallis
>>> Founder, Data Liberate
>>> http://dataliberate.com
>>> Linkedin:  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis>
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis>
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>>> Twitter: @rjw
>>>
>>> On 29 January 2016 at 09:49, Miquel Centelles <
><mcentellesv@gmail.com>
>>> mcentellesv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer the W3C group wiki.
>>>>
>>>> Miquel Centelles
>>>>
>>>> 2016-01-28 15:05 GMT+01:00 Phil Barker < <phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>
>>>> phil.barker@hw.ac.uk>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all
>>>>> In our kick-off meeting Dan proposed that we use the Schema for
>Courses
>>>>> [ <https://goo.gl/DnTTsb>https://goo.gl/DnTTsb] document with use
>case
>>>>> sketches to identify what we wanted the schema course extension to
>cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> I offered to simplify this a little and put it on the Community
>Group
>>>>> wiki, which I have done, see:
>>>>>
>https://www.w3.org/community/schema-course-extend/wiki/Outline_use_cases
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is that these outline use cases would describe what we
>want
>>>>> the proposal to cover. We would be able to provide an example,
>based
>>>>> (ideally) on data from a real website, of how the proposal
>provided markup
>>>>> for the information required for that use case.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Question:* does anyone object to this approach?  If so please let
>us
>>>>> know in the next few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> If no one objects to the overall approach, we might want to
>discuss
>>>>> some use cases (including suggesting additions) in more detail. I
>think for
>>>>> most of them it should be pretty straightforward to show how
>current
>>>>> proposals meet them.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Question:* We have a choice between W3C group wiki and google
>docs
>>>>> for working docs. I don't want to have a document live on both.
>Which do
>>>>> you prefer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>> --
>>> Phil Barker           @philbarker
>>> LRMI, Cetis, ICBL     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>>> Heriot-Watt University
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>>
>>
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>> --
>> Phil Barker           @philbarker
>> LRMI, Cetis, ICBL     http://people.pjjk.net/phil
>> Heriot-Watt University
>>
>> Ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/456/
>>   not so much an operating system as a learning opportunity.
>>
>>