Re: Twitter Bluesky -- Building a Social Web

On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 12:00, Peter Shaw <shawfactor@gmail.com> wrote:

> Melvin,
>
> Have you looked at the Indieweb community. The Indieweb ecosystem has more
> active users than mastodon et al, is completely decentralised, is being
> used as a twitter replacement, and too compliment twitter, is well
> documented, and can/is being extended.
>
> https://indieweb.org/
>

Hi Pete

Yes, I'm as member of indieweb (or used to be), and host my own home page

I wasnt aware of the active user base, when we were doing the w3c social
web working group, it was just a handful of users.  Are there any stats
showing the current user base?

Also came out of the SWWG was activitypub which is used to power mastodon,
and solid which was built on some of the ideas created in this group, and
elsewhere.  Solid also has a whole team developing it now, and hopefully
they'll produce a first working draft specification quite soon.  So there's
a few different social solutions with common ideas, but certain
incompatibilities.  For example in indieweb your home page is your
identity.  In solid your home page is your homepage, and that can contain
your idenity, your public key, your friends etc.  I'd be keen to try and
find a system that can be more interoperable

At the time I was active in indieweb there was an expectation that every
user must host their own home page, with their own domain.  That seemed to
be quite a heavy-lift for many mainstream users.  Is that still the case?


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> Pete
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> On Sat, 25 Sept 2021 at 23:43, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> hi john / tim
>>
>> thanks for the comments, I think there is a degree of singal to noise,
>> that we should try and move the needle back towards standards to read and
>> write to the web
>>
>> im super interested in your use case of web payments, and have been for
>> 1-2 decades
>>
>> if you think about ledgers, and distributed ledgers, they are as old as
>> time or writing, and the data structure is simply that of an entity and a
>> balance
>>
>> changes in that ledger are what we call transactions, which is a form or
>> reading and writing to the "web" which is really designed to be a multi
>> protocol space
>>
>> i absolutely agree with you in that zero conf tx should be first class as
>> a user experience, so mempool for example close to definitive, and edits
>> such as replace by fee have potentially negative side-effects
>>
>> creating a middle layer on the web, with basically royalty-free
>> settlement (e.g. bitcoin / lightning) I think is for me the most compelling
>> use case for the RWW
>>
>> would be quite happy to pivot conversation into how to do that etc.
>>
>> for example I was working with @bumi last week to add lightning payments
>> to the web via his extension
>>
>> to do so I added :
>>
>> <meta name="lightning" content="
>> lnurlp:LNURL1DP68GURN8GHJ7MRWVF5HGUEWVDHK6TMVDE6HYMRS9ASHQ6F0WCCJ7MRWW4EXCTECXQCQWSRAQ7"
>> />
>>
>> which routes to
>>
>> https://lnbits.com/
>>
>> this is a brilliant service
>>
>> tim, it's fine to vent from time to time, I certainly am more guilty that
>> most of that, but id ask you to moderate that a bit and try and orient
>> posts also towards innovation around read and write web standards
>>
>> best
>> melvin
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Sept 2021 at 20:32, Bitcoin Error Log <
>> bitcoinerrorlog@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please remove me from this mailing list, it seems to be all noise and
>>> ranting about failed designs.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 1:29 PM Timothy Holborn <
>>> timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems foolish for me to highlight cimba / old rww server examples, but
>>>> perhaps we here the fastest path to peace?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps someone who better understands the code could speak up to them?
>>>>
>>>> See, it something soon is preferred over something eventually.
>>>>
>>>> People have been shot with rubber bullets as a health measure in my
>>>> hometown.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK: there were a few old pieces to it, in. Webizen.org which I'm
>>>> happy to gift to a suitable custodian.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I tried in 2018 to make a mobile RWW app (very similar to
>>>> gov versions now being deployed, with different functionality).
>>>>
>>>> There's a couple of examples about mobile phones being used as
>>>> webservers.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously also, the WebID-TLS goes away on a (personal) mobile device.
>>>>
>>>> Alot of people are using telegram, which uses alot of local data
>>>> storage.
>>>>
>>>> I'm starting to build a list of non-US based apps, just to see if it's
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> I care about human rights / rule of law.
>>>>
>>>> I do not support redaction of reality to support people who harm others.
>>>>
>>>> I also firmly believe, the place to sort out problems is courts of law.
>>>> Not otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> The challenge is in ensuring our tech, does that.  This has been the
>>>> problem that let me to W3C, given the focus of others, it remains the
>>>> problem. I'm not happy about it.
>>>>
>>>> Timothy Holborn.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 4:01 am Melvin Carvalho, <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Might be interest to some folks here
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack's tweet:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/jack/status/1427315839666118662
>>>>>
>>>>> Website
>>>>>
>>>>> https://blueskyweb.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> "We're focusing on re-building the social web by connecting
>>>>> disconnected silos and returning control of the social experience to users.
>>>>> Our mission is to develop and drive the adoption of technologies for open
>>>>> and decentralized public conversation."
>>>>>
>>>>> I've added a page in our wiki, which we can track progress, and add
>>>>> links over time:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/Bluesky
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~ John Carvalho
>>>
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>>