Re: Coherent (modern) definition of RWW

On Wed, 19 May 2021, 5:37 am Kingsley Idehen, <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
wrote:

> On 5/18/21 3:16 PM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
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> On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 04:54, Nathan Rixham <nathan@webr3.org> wrote:
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>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:19 PM Tomasz Pluskiewicz <tomasz@t-code.pl>
>> wrote:
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>>>
>>> And yet isn’t most software worldwide plain JSON over HTTP, with some
>>> RAML or Open API if you’re lucky?
>>>
>>> But I think I will stop here, since we appear to be getting nowhere :)
>>>
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> Look for a 'coherent' definition; and it ends up looking like
> decoherence;  but I think, had some areas of debate that could be
> summarised as a topically defined area of 'scope' / 'requirements'??
>
> Maybe therein; some consideration around modal structures?  IDK.
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>> Agree on both points, seeing this degenerate into httpRange-14, confusion
>> over resource vs representation, confusion over protocols vs abstract
>> concepts, of the duality of resource names, is a pity indeed.
>>
>> Regarding JSON over HTTP, could that not be a part of RWW? If we focus on
>> being media type agnostic, and avoid rdf/linked data completely, then it'll
>> work for everything, which includes linked data. Focus on the super set.
>>
>
> Yup.  fairly sure 'facebook mode' should be supported....  but perhaps a
> different 'modal structure' / backwards compatibility?  i'm not sure their
> robots are so friendly, or caring...
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>> Tomasz, fwiw Melvin & I were playing around with linkedobjects some time
>> ago, like a mini version of json-ld that you stick in data islands, then
>> access automatically via globalThis, is was actually v simple to both
>> implement and use, like a 5 line shim that made json-ld and json accessible
>> in a nice way.
>>
>
> Hi Timothy,
>
> FWIW -- A Read-Write Web is simply an Entity Relationship Graph (Graph for
> short), constructed from hyperlinks, that supports Create, Update, and
> Delete operations -- in one form or another.
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> Fundamentally, you can add, alter, and remove parts from said graph.
>
> Web 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 themed technologies have offered the above in
> various forms with associated consequences re:
>
> 1. Interaction Flexibility & Inflexibility  via Application or Service
> Experience
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> 2. User Privacy
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> 3. Society at large .
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> Personally, I don't fixate on perfect definitions or "one size fits all"
> world views. I prefer to simply get stuff done by implementing relevant
> open standards are various Super Set oriented entry points (* which may not
> always be obvious initially *).
>
> In conclusion:
>
> Let's crack on with getting stuff done since we have all the open
> standards and specs in place. Basically, write stuff, share it with others
> to test interop.
>
> The more the do that the better for item #3 which I know you care a lot
> about :)
>
> I think it Also has some fairly meaningful, semi nondescript assumptions
about the functional qualities of how it is the software agent is made able
to function & how it's equipped..


Re - 3 - Yup, although, that Balance between "moral grammar" vs. "multiple
universes" & Stuff like:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22539-9

Whereby the deployment methods are ontological and the "quantum
processors", happen to be built into "natural world" agents...  as we
wander into a phase that'll speak alot about "climate change", but perhaps
not so much about sustainability...
Coherence is important.  ;)

Overall, energy efficiency (productivity / yeild) vs. Tech. Debt.

Gets complicated,. Yet I am convinced work does indeed need to be done...
And, I'm thoughtful about the areas where I feel as though there's been
failures in past?  How to mitigate potential issues in new ways, etc.

I am encouraged by what appears to be enough engagement to justify a
hypothesis that there's merit in seeking to get something meaningful done
in this area.

Which I think, is a positive step forward...

I hesitate to post long media links, certainly I can't review everything
people send me,. It kissenger, when considering current affairs (& AI) made
this note about "common legitimacy"
https://youtu.be/dpNsr54hwFY

Which is a bit like trying to understand how people felt when they needed
to get a trolley load of toilet paper, and fight to get it; whilst also
thinking about how the person who found themselves in a spot of bother for
not being able to find any toilet paper felt as a consequence; linked to
healthcare, fear & immune interactive behaviours / bio-interactive science,
and moreover,

It's like tethics vs. ethics...

IMO; Peace needs productivity in liberalised democracies to radically
advance, very quickly.  But if we revoke support for heritage / history /
provenance research, then the impending elevation from grey warfare to
something else, it's already over.

Can't support rule of law, courts of law, evidence dependent social systems
including but not limited to liberalised democracies or appropriate risk
mitigation for healthy financial / economic systems; without reality check
tech / science...

Which is therefore about agency / permissions systems & ways to protect
mandate / test assumptions, rather than more data or, IMO, new tech
requiring new patent pool approvals / manipulations, distortions.
Discoveries vs. inventions.


Best.

Timothy Holborn.

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