Re: (human) identity fabric (agents concepts linked)

All good.

The point of building a web that supports provenance, in part,

Don't need to argue about who did what when.

Should help radically improve both the ability for democracies / cyber
peace fair (fair dealing) to be protectable supported,

Alongside the enormous challenge of seeking to radically uplift
productivity...

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1oUsSlPEh8erOdkQJCLzFHBaqp7AYOJCqDw82YrCg9f4/edit?usp=drivesdk

Anyhow. I like your server, but the ecosystem works done over the past few
years are (IMO) meaningful.  Just not done.

Timothy Holborn.

On Sun, 16 May 2021, 2:13 am Kingsley Idehen, <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
wrote:

> On 5/14/21 3:26 PM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>
> Sorry, re: clarifications,
>
> What did it do back in ~2011/2 when I first installed it? (Vs. now?). I
> can pull the dates, but you likely have them in your licensing server??  I
> was trying to do a POC via building a heritage capability as an initial
> usecase, at the time.... (supporting a Hysterical/ historical society)...
>
> Does it have more functionality since then?  I assumed the answer was
> "yes" particularly given the status of "web payments" (pre credentials),
> way back then (before I ended up on the lists, something, I didn't consider
> would ever happen in my life, at the time)...
>
> Limitations linked to creating a knowledge banking framework. I started
> concepts in 2000 ("information bank" or ibank) which progressed to
> "knowledge banking" circa 2011/2012 after doing some work "updating" old
> work, from mid 2010 (indigenous application started 2009/10)..
>
> I think you're first "dataspaces" demo was 2007???  V.interested in
> "temporal web" / provenance solutions....
>
> Dignity enhancing web (vs. web slavery, or worse).
>
> Timothy Holborn.
>
>
> Hi Timothy,
>
> Regarding Identity, Identification, Authentication, and Authorization
> nothing has changed in Virtuoso.
>
> What has changed outside Virtuoso, via complimentary tools and services
> that we provide are as follows:
>
> [1] Browser Extensions for creating Private Keys, X.509 Certificates,
> Identifiers (WebIDs and NetIDs), and associated Profile Docs -- basically,
> killing the headache left by predictable demise of <keygen/>
>
> [2] Setting up WebID-TLS + Delegation from a Browser so that the whole
> thing "just works" and users aren't exposed to what they may perceive as
> complexity re entity relationship type (and associated semantics)
> triangulation
>
> The implications of the above are as follows, using a Chromium or Mozilla
> browser:
>
> [1] You can create credentials using your browser that are stored to an
> OS-provided Keystore (e.g., macOS Keychain) or PKCS#12 file
>
> [2] You can write data to a Data Space (e.g., OpenLink Data Spaces or
> Solid Pod) subject to ACLs using WebID-TLS (with Delegation if so desired
> i.e., kill off the UI/UX issues associated with browser restarts since
> Person and their User Agents have distinguished, but related identity)
>
>
> Tools that demonstrate these capabilities include:
>
> [1] YouID <http://youid.openlinksw.com/>
>
> [2] OpenLink Structured Data Sniffer
>
> <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/openlink-structured-data/egdaiaihbdoiibopledjahjaihbmjhdj?hl=en>
>
> [3] OpenLink Structured Data Sniffer for Mozilla
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/openlink-structured-data-sniff/>
>
> As for Virtuoso, it hasn't changed bar adding support for WebID-OIDC which
> enables compatibility with Solid Pods for read-write operations via
> WebDAV/LDP mounting functionality etc..
>
> Long story short, we are still waiting for everyone to catch up :)
>
> Kingsley
>
>
> On Sat, 15 May 2021, 5:07 am Kingsley Idehen, <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/14/21 1:07 PM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>>
>> Overall; the underlying intent; was to create complex AUTH / Endification
>> / Identification fabric capabilities; that could in-turn, support complex
>> (hyper-private) semantics, that could only be brought about
>> post-technological growth; with support of political will...  i"m not sure
>> that' going to happen (in the western world, first or at all); but,  i
>> wanted to make a note that the examples provided by openlink software
>> (virtuoso) or Project Hydra (samvera nowadays?) didn't have enough
>> functionality back in 2011/2; as such, i sought to improve it, to support -
>> human beings, unto 'rule of law', for a moral economy, etc...
>>
>>
>> Hi Timothy,
>>
>> To be clear:
>>
>> OpenLink Virtuoso <https://virtuoso.openlinksw.com> is a platform that
>> includes a multi-protocol authentication layer. One of the many supported
>> protocols is WebID-TLS. We also support NetID-TLS which is basically
>> WebID-TLS decoupled from http: scheme URIs e.g., it supports ldap: scheme
>> URIs.
>>
>> Authorization wise, our technology is driven 100% by RDF
>> sentences/statements (informed by terms from relevant ontologies).
>>
>> I don't see limitations in RDF that aren't surmounted by the use of
>> SPARQL as a Rules Language (like Datalog back in the day) re authorization
>> via access controls.
>>
>> With the clarifications above outlined, what limitation are you speaking
>> about?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
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> --
> Regards,
>
> Kingsley Idehen 
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