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Re: CERN involvement in the W3C WebAC WG

From: Maria Dimou <maria.dimou@cern.ch>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:56:58 +0100
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, <timbl+mariadimou@w3.org>
CC: public-rww <public-rww@w3.org>, Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
Message-ID: <b45d631e-6c30-5a47-0ddc-ff71fab2dc51@cern.ch>
Dear all,

you have sent me information and support for 
http://cern.ch/dimou/personal/CERN-W3C_Collaboration_2017_proposal.pdf 
<http://cern.ch/dimou/personal/CERN-W3C_Collaboration_2017_proposal.pdf>

The CERN IT management position so far is that this proposal will be 
discussed at a later date due to other urgent priorities and lack of 
resources.

As Tim knows, this is the Nth such proposal I write since 1994.

Anyway, best wishes for you and your families and courage with the 
technology and political challenges around the Internet and the Web.

Yours ever

Maria Dimou / CERN

On 06.12.2017 10:22, Maria Dimou wrote:
>
> Dear Melvin,
>
> thank you for this additional information. I have sent the proposal to 
> my management and heard nothing so far. Next week, I shall re-edit it, 
> to add the elements you provided and send them a reminder. I'll keep 
> you and Tim informed.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Yours
>
> Maria
>
>
> On 05.12.2017 17:42, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 5 December 2017 at 17:38, Melvin Carvalho 
>> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Maria
>>
>>     This is how we are using Web Access Control in Solid [1]
>>
>>     https://github.com/solid/web-access-control-spec
>>     <https://github.com/solid/web-access-control-spec>
>>
>>     Solid is actively developed, with regular (daily) meetings etc.
>>
>>
>> This is also referenced here :
>>
>> https://fedora.info/2017/11/27/spec/#resource-authorization
>>
>>
>>     [1] https://github.com/solid/solid
>>
>>     On 23 November 2017 at 13:37, Maria Dimou <maria.dimou@cern.ch
>>     <mailto:maria.dimou@cern.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear Melvin, dear Tim,
>>
>>         thank you for your attention. Here is the proposal with the
>>         effort estimates:
>>         http://cern.ch/dimou/personal/CERN-W3C_Collaboration_2017_proposal.pdf
>>         <http://cern.ch/dimou/personal/CERN-W3C_Collaboration_2017_proposal.pdf>
>>
>>         I avoided concrete technical details and suggestions for WG
>>         formation, until I get a positive reply from the CERN
>>         management. As Tim knows, I've been submitting such proposals
>>         for a number of years but the dynamics here are complex...
>>
>>         Thank you again!
>>         Maria
>>
>>         On 23.11.2017 09:25, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 22 November 2017 at 16:31, Maria Dimou
>>>         <Maria.Dimou@cern.ch <mailto:Maria.Dimou@cern.ch>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear Melvin,
>>>
>>>             just a kind reminder for the estimation of effort
>>>             (meetings, paper reviews) that the WebAC work requires
>>>             from its participants. This is my proposal
>>>             http://cern.ch/dimou/personal/CERN-W3C_Collaboration_2017_proposal.pdf
>>>             <http://cern.ch/dimou/personal/CERN-W3C_Collaboration_2017_proposal.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Hi Maria, that document looks great! :)
>>>
>>>         I mentioned this to TimBL (cc'd), who remembers you at CERN :)
>>>
>>>         The web access control work is actively used in software
>>>         development with various projects.
>>>
>>>         The interaction is regularly, weekly or daily, but tends to
>>>         be in places such as chat rooms (e.g. gitter) and github
>>>         (issues), in addition to mailing lists and wikis.
>>>
>>>         The wiki is largely complete and ready to implement, which
>>>         is what many of us are doing.
>>>
>>>         In terms of a formal working group, Tim did say we could
>>>         possibly fire up a quick working group if needed, tho that
>>>         would require a number of independent implementations.
>>>
>>>         I'd be happy to provide further data points in terms of
>>>         usage, if you can give me an idea of what you're looking for
>>>         and/or what would be helpful
>>>
>>>         Hope that helps! :)
>>>
>>>
>>>             Thank you
>>>             Maria
>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>             *From:* Maria Dimou [maria.dimou@cern.ch
>>>             <mailto:maria.dimou@cern.ch>]
>>>             *Sent:* 16 November 2017 17:15
>>>             *To:* Melvin Carvalho
>>>             *Cc:* public-rww
>>>             *Subject:* Re: CERN involvement in the W3C WebAC WG
>>>
>>>             Thank you Melvin. This is very useful. Open data is
>>>             open:-D but we have other applications with access
>>>             control. Is the work finalised or does W3C propose
>>>             technical changes that become standards? In order to
>>>             have any chance for my proposal to be considered by the
>>>             CERN IT management, I need to know whether WebAC
>>>             involves people still meeting, writing, reviewing... to
>>>             understand how much time/effort is required from the
>>>             developers for this standardisation work (if this work
>>>             is still on-going).
>>>
>>>             Thanks very much for your help!
>>>
>>>             yours
>>>
>>>             Maria
>>>
>>>             On 16.11.2017 16:56, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On 16 November 2017 at 15:51, Melvin Carvalho
>>>>             <melvincarvalho@gmail.com
>>>>             <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On 16 November 2017 at 13:36, Maria Dimou
>>>>                 <maria.dimou@cern.ch <mailto:maria.dimou@cern.ch>>
>>>>                 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     Hello!
>>>>
>>>>                     I wrote a proposal to include CERN Open Data<http://opendata.cern.ch/>
>>>>                     <http://opendata.cern.ch/>  
>>>>                     developers in the WebAC W3C WG and need to quantify this involvement.
>>>>
>>>>                     Can you please tell me what it means in terms of members' involvement
>>>>                     (f2f or video conf. meetings, email activity, co-authoring, reviewing
>>>>                     papers etc)?
>>>>
>>>>                     Thank you very much in advance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Hi Maria, thanks for the question. Perhaps this is
>>>>                 posted to the wrong list?
>>>>
>>>>                 I dont know what the WebAC W3C WG is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Ah I see, you mean ?
>>>>
>>>>             https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
>>>>             <https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl>
>>>>
>>>>             WG I understood as Working Group.  We dont have a W3C
>>>>             Working Group (that im aware, there might be one tho!)
>>>>
>>>>             If you mean editing the wiki, anyone is free to do so,
>>>>             so please go ahead! :)
>>>>
>>>>             Any more insights on the cern open data set. Does it
>>>>             have access control?
>>>>
>>>>                     Maria Dimou / CERN
>>>>
>>>>                     -- 
>>>>                     Maria Dimoumaria.dimou@cern.ch <mailto:maria.dimou@cern.ch>      http://cern.ch/dimou
>>>>                     CERN                    CH-1211 Geneva 23       Switzerland
>>>>                     Tel:+41227673356 <tel:+41%2022%20767%2033%2056>         Mob:+41754113248 <tel:+41%2075%20411%2032%2048>         Fax:+41227669820 <tel:+41%2022%20766%2098%2020>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>         -- Maria Dimou maria.dimou@cern.ch
>>         <mailto:maria.dimou@cern.ch> http://cern.ch/dimou
>>
>>         CERN / IT              CH-1211 Geneva 23       Switzerland
>>         Tel:+41227673356 <tel:+41%2022%20767%2033%2056>        Mob:+41754113248 <tel:+41%2075%20411%2032%2048>         Fax:+41227669820 <tel:+41%2022%20766%2098%2020>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Maria Dimoumaria.dimou@cern.ch      http://cern.ch/dimou
> CERN / IT              CH-1211 Geneva 23       Switzerland
> Tel:+41227673356       Mob:+41754113248        Fax:+41227669820

-- 
Maria Dimou            maria.dimou@cern.ch     http://cern.ch/dimou
CERN / IT              CH-1211 Geneva 23       Switzerland
Tel:+41227673356       Mob:+41754113248        Fax:+41227669820
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