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Re: [DBpedia-discussion] Semantic Web Deployment

From: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@atomgraph.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 22:48:26 +0100
Message-ID: <CAE35VmwqthY6zd4eWJ0z=G9bEUgDstK=JxHPrOe2_MUEN-LBpQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
Cc: W3C Semantic Web IG <semantic-web@w3.org>, public-rww <public-rww@w3.org>, DBpedia <Dbpedia-discussion@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sebastian,

you were given feedback multiple times but have not taken it into account,
so your messages start bordering spam.

The problem might be not with your intentions, but with their presentation.
Two main issues, in my opinion:
1. stop inventing new terms. What is "consolidated metamodel", "composition
of related event flows" or "contextual sorting" etc. etc.? Nobody knows and
nobody cares.
When it comes to RDF, you have to use precise terms from specifications
such as https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-mt/#notation-and-terminology
2. stop making people read pages of documents. Nobody has time for that,
and everybody will parse prose differently.
Give them something they can execute (open source program), or a W3C-style
specification (example: https://atomgraph.github.io/Linked-Data-Templates/)

If you can't code or can't write specs, well, you have to learn, before you
get somewhere more concrete than your current document.

This was not meant to be mean.

Martynas

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi. Compared to the rest of the members of this lists I think I'm just a
> Semantic Web 'hobbyist' in the sense I'm not that academically involved
> with all of the standards.
>
> But I was wondering what was the means by current Document Web (2.0)
> became so successfully deployed in today's everybody's lifes and what could
> be the means by which the same success could be achieved by the Data
> (Semantic) Web.
>
> Traditional web success could be the result of the ease of deployment of
> servers, browsers and a standarized protocol for distributed peers (hosts)
> which enabled browsers render served (hyperlinked) documents.
>
> But what would be the means (servers, protocol, browsers) which will
> enable Semantic (Data) Web widespread adoption? I see (and focus) on
> considering the Data Web more oriented towards what could be the 'backend'
> side of the coin, augmenting, perhaps, traditional Document Web (or
> whatever) applications. I don't see myself writing 'pages' or UI in RDF,
> something current web does very well.
>
> Anyone could comment or offer guidance on this (where in the application
> stack should be SW stuff placed) please give me some orientation. Meanwhile
> I share my thoughts regarding this in another draft where I put what I'm
> trying to understand along the way:
>
> https://github.com/CognescentBI/BISemantics/blob/
> master/Document.pdf?raw=true
>
> Best,
> Sebastián.
>
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