Re: CAPTCHA: Should we illustrate our document?

Thanks, John. Any thoughts on how what markup we would use, assuming
we've got say png and mp3 somewhere in W3C webspace?

Are there examples of W3C docs with images/media that come to mind?

I expect to have this conversation with Michael Monday.

Janina

John Foliot writes:
> Stephen wrote:
> 
> > although it might be simpler to include a link to an external site
> somewhere that has such examples.
> 
> Traditionally we have avoided that in favor of directly embedded content:
> the reason being that web content is always changing, and if the example at
> an alternative 3rd-party site is changed, it breaks our content and impacts
> the usefulness of our document.
> 
> 
> > So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow
> things down and require yet another CfC after the additions?
> 
> Like Janina, I consider this to be "ongoing editorial" work (even if
> somewhat 'extreme'), and Editor's Drafts (and even Candidate
> Recommendations AFAIK) have been known to change based upon wider-review
> feedback - part of that wider review is to solicit feedback from the larger
> community, and some of that feedback is that images would facilitate
> explanation. I believe we are "in bounds" of the W3C Process Document
> <https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/>, but like Janina will defer to
> Michael.
> 
> JF
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:51 AM Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@pearson.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > I think a few choice examples could be useful for some readers, and would
> > not detract from textual discussion. That may also be true for an example
> > of an audio CAPTCHA, although it might be simpler to include a link to an
> > external site somewhere that has such examples.
> >
> > So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow
> > things down and require yet another CfC after the additions?
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:30 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, Steve, All:
> >>
> >>
> >> Below are some images that may, or may not help us make our points in
> >> the CAPTCHA document. Setting aside for the moment the process problem
> >> that we're currently in the midst of a CfC, do these add materially to
> >> our argument?
> >>
> >> In other words should we incorporate these images, any of them? If so,
> >> Steve, can you help figure out where in the document.
> >>
> >> If RQTF believes adding illustrations of our points helps our case, I
> >> will figure out how to manage the process problem. I should note that I
> >> did ask Jennie about possibly illustrating CAPTCHA with images that were
> >> licensed in way that would allow us to use them.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Janina
> >>
> >> Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) writes:
> >> > Hi Janina,
> >> > Sorry for the delay getting to you. It appears that my contacts here
> >> are quite busy with other tasks, so I did a bit of digging on the internet.
> >> > There are images of CAPTCHAs with Creative Commons licenses that are
> >> extremely liberal, and these may be useful to include if still possible.
> >> Hopefully they help.
> >> >
> >> > There is one on flickr posted by the Wufoo Team (at least that is the
> >> name on the flickr account and the CAPTCHA image has their name on it).
> >> Here is the link:
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_wufoo_3683064794&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=KZHk6WWEzguXOnjw9Q_XuT0bgf0bzgTNA42K8O5Ivis&e=
> >> > The text on the image says:
> >> > WUFOO
> >> > Tell Us
> >> > But not too fast!
> >> > Who's your favorite Ninja Turtle?
> >> > (radio buttons, first one selected)
> >> > Leonardo
> >> > Raphael
> >> > Donatello
> >> > Michaelangelo
> >> > Type the two words in the image below.*
> >> > (Words with strike through and wavy presentation) Ministry Tried; then
> >> text field.
> >> > Recaptcha with refresh button, audio button, help button, stop spam,
> >> read books.
> >> > Submit button.
> >> >
> >> > There is also one that is kind of interesting in terms of puzzle type
> >> of CAPTCHA.
> >> > It is on Wikimedia Commons, and has a liberal reuse license as well.
> >> Here is the link:
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__commons.wikimedia.org_wiki_File-3ATranslate-5Fregistration-5Fprocess-5Fcaptcha-5Fwireframe.png&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=PTipcmiC_yFS0qRwjLoScR4WpqkNf-nBDH3w-5_mOZM&e=
> >> > The text on the image says:
> >> > Thank you beta_tester, you are almost a translator!
> >> > You can make your first translation now to activate your account:
> >> > (can't tell how this is structured in the HMTL, but boxes around the
> >> next text)
> >> > Text to translate (next box) Empty string (button?) Try another
> >> (includes refresh symbol)
> >> > What's this text? Reason for account deletion
> >> > (next part looks like a 4 x 1 table)
> >> > Select the correct translation for French (drop down arrow)
> >> > (check mark) Chaine vide
> >> > Text vide
> >> > (text box, help text) Propose a different translation
> >> > (button) Activate account
> >> >
> >> > Excellent visual example that may cause challenges for those with
> >> reading disabilities on Wikipedia..
> >> > Letters smwm that are squished, varying heights, in almost cursive
> >> looking font, all lower case.
> >> >
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__de.wikipedia.org_wiki_Datei-3ACaptcha-2Dsmwm.svg&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=VTlRzid2alVu4CvG4_zrhoCKb3CcXRdzmKF0JgEtNsc&e=
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Jennie
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:28 PM
> >> > To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>
> >> > Subject: yet another delay in CAPTCHA
> >> >
> >> > This message may be from an external email source.
> >> > Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
> >> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi, Jennie:
> >> >
> >> > Just keeping you updated on current status.
> >> >
> >> > As per the attached list email, a close read of the entire document
> >> over the weekend disclosed a flaw we want to fix in Federated Identities
> >> and in Single Sign-On.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What that means is another short delay to Wednesday early AM. If the
> >> RQTF call believes the draft as of Wednesday AM is ready, we'll move to a
> >> CfC in APA, but not sooner.
> >> >
> >> > So, still time for COGA tweaks!
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> > Janina
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Janina Sajka
> >> >
> >> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> >> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
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> >> >
> >> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> >> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
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> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Janina Sajka
> >>
> >> Linux Foundation Fellow
> >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=sjrWXcObiEtvU_jw8jTrv5yCV_IRVdhaQVWArK0Z47g&e=
> >>
> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> >> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=L7sXmp-jCQOGyxUzMd-Sxj_vbwByVJF19Uzh1eXfDj8&e=
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Steve Noble
> > Instructional Designer, Accessibility
> > Psychometrics & Testing Services
> >
> > *Pearson*
> >
> > 502 969 3088
> > steve.noble@pearson.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> *​John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist | W3C AC Representative
> Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
> deque.com

-- 

Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

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