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Re: CAPTCHA: Should we illustrate our document?

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:47:06 -0500
Message-ID: <CAKdCpxwKL+3+HuM7=AKnC6b+V8EbBbSp+9x5mc9ZOV0EX+3K7w@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Noble, Stephen" <steve.noble@pearson.com>
Cc: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, RQTF <public-rqtf@w3.org>
Stephen wrote:

> although it might be simpler to include a link to an external site
somewhere that has such examples.

Traditionally we have avoided that in favor of directly embedded content:
the reason being that web content is always changing, and if the example at
an alternative 3rd-party site is changed, it breaks our content and impacts
the usefulness of our document.


> So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow
things down and require yet another CfC after the additions?

Like Janina, I consider this to be "ongoing editorial" work (even if
somewhat 'extreme'), and Editor's Drafts (and even Candidate
Recommendations AFAIK) have been known to change based upon wider-review
feedback - part of that wider review is to solicit feedback from the larger
community, and some of that feedback is that images would facilitate
explanation. I believe we are "in bounds" of the W3C Process Document
<https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/>, but like Janina will defer to
Michael.

JF



On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:51 AM Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@pearson.com>
wrote:

> Hi Janina,
>
> I think a few choice examples could be useful for some readers, and would
> not detract from textual discussion. That may also be true for an example
> of an audio CAPTCHA, although it might be simpler to include a link to an
> external site somewhere that has such examples.
>
> So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow
> things down and require yet another CfC after the additions?
>
> --Steve
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:30 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Steve, All:
>>
>>
>> Below are some images that may, or may not help us make our points in
>> the CAPTCHA document. Setting aside for the moment the process problem
>> that we're currently in the midst of a CfC, do these add materially to
>> our argument?
>>
>> In other words should we incorporate these images, any of them? If so,
>> Steve, can you help figure out where in the document.
>>
>> If RQTF believes adding illustrations of our points helps our case, I
>> will figure out how to manage the process problem. I should note that I
>> did ask Jennie about possibly illustrating CAPTCHA with images that were
>> licensed in way that would allow us to use them.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) writes:
>> > Hi Janina,
>> > Sorry for the delay getting to you. It appears that my contacts here
>> are quite busy with other tasks, so I did a bit of digging on the internet.
>> > There are images of CAPTCHAs with Creative Commons licenses that are
>> extremely liberal, and these may be useful to include if still possible.
>> Hopefully they help.
>> >
>> > There is one on flickr posted by the Wufoo Team (at least that is the
>> name on the flickr account and the CAPTCHA image has their name on it).
>> Here is the link:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_wufoo_3683064794&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=KZHk6WWEzguXOnjw9Q_XuT0bgf0bzgTNA42K8O5Ivis&e=
>> > The text on the image says:
>> > WUFOO
>> > Tell Us
>> > But not too fast!
>> > Who's your favorite Ninja Turtle?
>> > (radio buttons, first one selected)
>> > Leonardo
>> > Raphael
>> > Donatello
>> > Michaelangelo
>> > Type the two words in the image below.*
>> > (Words with strike through and wavy presentation) Ministry Tried; then
>> text field.
>> > Recaptcha with refresh button, audio button, help button, stop spam,
>> read books.
>> > Submit button.
>> >
>> > There is also one that is kind of interesting in terms of puzzle type
>> of CAPTCHA.
>> > It is on Wikimedia Commons, and has a liberal reuse license as well.
>> Here is the link:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__commons.wikimedia.org_wiki_File-3ATranslate-5Fregistration-5Fprocess-5Fcaptcha-5Fwireframe.png&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=PTipcmiC_yFS0qRwjLoScR4WpqkNf-nBDH3w-5_mOZM&e=
>> > The text on the image says:
>> > Thank you beta_tester, you are almost a translator!
>> > You can make your first translation now to activate your account:
>> > (can't tell how this is structured in the HMTL, but boxes around the
>> next text)
>> > Text to translate (next box) Empty string (button?) Try another
>> (includes refresh symbol)
>> > What's this text? Reason for account deletion
>> > (next part looks like a 4 x 1 table)
>> > Select the correct translation for French (drop down arrow)
>> > (check mark) Chaine vide
>> > Text vide
>> > (text box, help text) Propose a different translation
>> > (button) Activate account
>> >
>> > Excellent visual example that may cause challenges for those with
>> reading disabilities on Wikipedia..
>> > Letters smwm that are squished, varying heights, in almost cursive
>> looking font, all lower case.
>> >
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__de.wikipedia.org_wiki_Datei-3ACaptcha-2Dsmwm.svg&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=VTlRzid2alVu4CvG4_zrhoCKb3CcXRdzmKF0JgEtNsc&e=
>>
>> >
>> > Jennie
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:28 PM
>> > To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>
>> > Subject: yet another delay in CAPTCHA
>> >
>> > This message may be from an external email source.
>> > Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
>> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, Jennie:
>> >
>> > Just keeping you updated on current status.
>> >
>> > As per the attached list email, a close read of the entire document
>> over the weekend disclosed a flaw we want to fix in Federated Identities
>> and in Single Sign-On.
>> >
>> >
>> > What that means is another short delay to Wednesday early AM. If the
>> RQTF call believes the draft as of Wednesday AM is ready, we'll move to a
>> CfC in APA, but not sooner.
>> >
>> > So, still time for COGA tweaks!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Janina Sajka
>> >
>> > Linux Foundation Fellow
>> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
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>> >
>> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252Fwai-252Fapa-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cjennie.delisi-2540state.mn.us-257C9e16779bd1b0493a119308d6f359df5c-257Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c-257C0-257C0-257C636963964657059398-26amp-3Bsdata-3DOdE4kUUd74cmtceHnP98eSDc1VeErLF7ZXgXH3eBQ6M-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=T6CWqyUN1_YHusRjfFI9EFIr8ZYoQfDX7tEKsUiXdVk&e=
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> Janina Sajka
>>
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=sjrWXcObiEtvU_jw8jTrv5yCV_IRVdhaQVWArK0Z47g&e=
>>
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=L7sXmp-jCQOGyxUzMd-Sxj_vbwByVJF19Uzh1eXfDj8&e=
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Steve Noble
> Instructional Designer, Accessibility
> Psychometrics & Testing Services
>
> *Pearson*
>
> 502 969 3088
> steve.noble@pearson.com
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
*​John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist | W3C AC Representative
Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
deque.com
Received on Friday, 21 June 2019 12:48:14 UTC

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