- From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:47:06 -0500
- To: "Noble, Stephen" <steve.noble@pearson.com>
- Cc: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, RQTF <public-rqtf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKdCpxwKL+3+HuM7=AKnC6b+V8EbBbSp+9x5mc9ZOV0EX+3K7w@mail.gmail.com>
Stephen wrote: > although it might be simpler to include a link to an external site somewhere that has such examples. Traditionally we have avoided that in favor of directly embedded content: the reason being that web content is always changing, and if the example at an alternative 3rd-party site is changed, it breaks our content and impacts the usefulness of our document. > So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow things down and require yet another CfC after the additions? Like Janina, I consider this to be "ongoing editorial" work (even if somewhat 'extreme'), and Editor's Drafts (and even Candidate Recommendations AFAIK) have been known to change based upon wider-review feedback - part of that wider review is to solicit feedback from the larger community, and some of that feedback is that images would facilitate explanation. I believe we are "in bounds" of the W3C Process Document <https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/>, but like Janina will defer to Michael. JF On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:51 AM Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@pearson.com> wrote: > Hi Janina, > > I think a few choice examples could be useful for some readers, and would > not detract from textual discussion. That may also be true for an example > of an audio CAPTCHA, although it might be simpler to include a link to an > external site somewhere that has such examples. > > So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow > things down and require yet another CfC after the additions? > > --Steve > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:30 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > >> Hi, Steve, All: >> >> >> Below are some images that may, or may not help us make our points in >> the CAPTCHA document. Setting aside for the moment the process problem >> that we're currently in the midst of a CfC, do these add materially to >> our argument? >> >> In other words should we incorporate these images, any of them? If so, >> Steve, can you help figure out where in the document. >> >> If RQTF believes adding illustrations of our points helps our case, I >> will figure out how to manage the process problem. I should note that I >> did ask Jennie about possibly illustrating CAPTCHA with images that were >> licensed in way that would allow us to use them. >> >> Best, >> >> Janina >> >> Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) writes: >> > Hi Janina, >> > Sorry for the delay getting to you. It appears that my contacts here >> are quite busy with other tasks, so I did a bit of digging on the internet. >> > There are images of CAPTCHAs with Creative Commons licenses that are >> extremely liberal, and these may be useful to include if still possible. >> Hopefully they help. >> > >> > There is one on flickr posted by the Wufoo Team (at least that is the >> name on the flickr account and the CAPTCHA image has their name on it). >> Here is the link: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_wufoo_3683064794&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=KZHk6WWEzguXOnjw9Q_XuT0bgf0bzgTNA42K8O5Ivis&e= >> > The text on the image says: >> > WUFOO >> > Tell Us >> > But not too fast! >> > Who's your favorite Ninja Turtle? >> > (radio buttons, first one selected) >> > Leonardo >> > Raphael >> > Donatello >> > Michaelangelo >> > Type the two words in the image below.* >> > (Words with strike through and wavy presentation) Ministry Tried; then >> text field. >> > Recaptcha with refresh button, audio button, help button, stop spam, >> read books. >> > Submit button. >> > >> > There is also one that is kind of interesting in terms of puzzle type >> of CAPTCHA. >> > It is on Wikimedia Commons, and has a liberal reuse license as well. >> Here is the link: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__commons.wikimedia.org_wiki_File-3ATranslate-5Fregistration-5Fprocess-5Fcaptcha-5Fwireframe.png&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=PTipcmiC_yFS0qRwjLoScR4WpqkNf-nBDH3w-5_mOZM&e= >> > The text on the image says: >> > Thank you beta_tester, you are almost a translator! >> > You can make your first translation now to activate your account: >> > (can't tell how this is structured in the HMTL, but boxes around the >> next text) >> > Text to translate (next box) Empty string (button?) Try another >> (includes refresh symbol) >> > What's this text? Reason for account deletion >> > (next part looks like a 4 x 1 table) >> > Select the correct translation for French (drop down arrow) >> > (check mark) Chaine vide >> > Text vide >> > (text box, help text) Propose a different translation >> > (button) Activate account >> > >> > Excellent visual example that may cause challenges for those with >> reading disabilities on Wikipedia.. >> > Letters smwm that are squished, varying heights, in almost cursive >> looking font, all lower case. >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__de.wikipedia.org_wiki_Datei-3ACaptcha-2Dsmwm.svg&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=VTlRzid2alVu4CvG4_zrhoCKb3CcXRdzmKF0JgEtNsc&e= >> >> > >> > Jennie >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> >> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:28 PM >> > To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us> >> > Subject: yet another delay in CAPTCHA >> > >> > This message may be from an external email source. >> > Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all >> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center. >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi, Jennie: >> > >> > Just keeping you updated on current status. >> > >> > As per the attached list email, a close read of the entire document >> over the weekend disclosed a flaw we want to fix in Federated Identities >> and in Single Sign-On. >> > >> > >> > What that means is another short delay to Wednesday early AM. If the >> RQTF call believes the draft as of Wednesday AM is ready, we'll move to a >> CfC in APA, but not sooner. >> > >> > So, still time for COGA tweaks! >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Janina >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Janina Sajka >> > >> > Linux Foundation Fellow >> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fa11y.org-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cjennie.delisi-2540state.mn.us-257C9e16779bd1b0493a119308d6f359df5c-257Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c-257C0-257C0-257C636963964657059398-26amp-3Bsdata-3DGORHbhvBU-252BlZ2wwDuJwUBvxt7heNJlfzHs4P7V5pEKw-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=Q5f9nT48veGUrSRshtnk_LnPn6ru4Ly7kiWt2l7XxY8&e= >> > >> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >> > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252Fwai-252Fapa-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cjennie.delisi-2540state.mn.us-257C9e16779bd1b0493a119308d6f359df5c-257Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c-257C0-257C0-257C636963964657059398-26amp-3Bsdata-3DOdE4kUUd74cmtceHnP98eSDc1VeErLF7ZXgXH3eBQ6M-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=T6CWqyUN1_YHusRjfFI9EFIr8ZYoQfDX7tEKsUiXdVk&e= >> > >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka >> >> Linux Foundation Fellow >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=sjrWXcObiEtvU_jw8jTrv5yCV_IRVdhaQVWArK0Z47g&e= >> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) >> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=L7sXmp-jCQOGyxUzMd-Sxj_vbwByVJF19Uzh1eXfDj8&e= >> >> > > -- > > > Steve Noble > Instructional Designer, Accessibility > Psychometrics & Testing Services > > *Pearson* > > 502 969 3088 > steve.noble@pearson.com > > > > > -- *​John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist | W3C AC Representative Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good deque.com
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