- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:21:21 -0400
- To: "Noble, Stephen" <steve.noble@pearson.com>
- Cc: RQTF <public-rqtf@w3.org>
Awesome, Steve! I'll work on getting these into the Editor's Draft before we go out for wide review. Thanks for this assist! Janina Noble, Stephen writes: > Hi Janina, > > I looked over the samples available at the three links that Jennie > mentioned. I think including a slight altered version of one of them would > be good. I have attached the image and edited the alt text slightly. In the > case of this image, cropping it to focus only on the captcha itself seemed > the best to promote clarity, since the surrounding text would be > extraneous. Such modifications are allowed under the Creative Commons > license. Here are the pertinent details: > Filename: distorted-characters-recaptcha-v1.png > Place this in section 2.1.1 Traditional Character-Based CAPTCHA, between > the first and second paragraph > > Alt text: "Type the two words in the image below.*" | Words with strike > through and wavy presentation: "Ministry Tried" | then a text field | > Recaptcha trademark with refresh button, audio button, help button, and the > words: "stop spam, read books" | then a final Submit button > URI for original source: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/wufoo/3683064794/in/photostream/ > URI to Creative Commons licence: > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/legalcode > Other required notice: This graphic is a derivative work. It has been > cropped to remove extraneous material. > > Finding graphics under Creative Commons to help illustrate other types of > CAPTCHAs was something that proved elusive, despite spending a good amount > of time on it. There's a nice example of an image based ReCAPTCHA v.2 in > Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Images_Recaptcha.png but > the page information mentions that it is a screenshot from a commercial > website protected under copyright, but that they believe that they can use > it under Fair Use. I don't know if that's a tactic that the W3C follows. If > not, then maybe we could just include a link to that page where this > example lives. If we used this image, then I would place it is section > 2.1.4.1 Visual Comparison CAPTCHAs, between the first and second > paragraphs. The alt text for that image would be: "Select all images below > that match this one" | image of a cat | followed by 9 images including > cats, dogs, hamsters and plants | refresh button, audio button, information > button | then a final Verify button. > > I did find an audio CAPTCHA recording available under a Creative Commons > license. I have attached the file, but for the life of me I cannot figure > out what the distorted speech is actually saying, so I don't know how we > can make it accessible to someone who is deaf, other than to say it is > garbled human speech. If we decide to use it, I would place it under > section 2.1.2 Sound Output, between the first and second paragraphs. > Here are the details: > Page URL: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Captcha.ogg > File URL: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Captcha.ogg > Attribution: reCAPTCHA at Carnegie Mellon University [<a href=" > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0">CC BY 3.0</a>], <a href=" > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Captcha.ogg">via Wikimedia > Commons</a> > > I hope this will be helpful. > > --Steve > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:19 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > > > Hi, Steve: > > > > As I continue to mull the process implications, I'm now thinking this is > > editorial in the extreme, so arguably no impact on our CfC. We're not > > changing the substance of what we say, just amplifying how we say things. > > But, I'll > > check with Michael. > > > > It would be good to get these images into the Editor's Draft, which will > > be the basis of the document we publish for wide review. The Editor's > > Draft is already newer than the draft pointed to by the CfC because we > > merged your bibliographic references this morning. > > > > If you have the time to suggest where in the text we might stick any of > > the images that Jennie suggests, I can add them. Also, any other image > > or aural files you might want to suggest would be OK--we just need to be > > careful of the copyright. > > > > Thanks for the quick response! > > > > Janina > > > > PS: I like the notion of pointing to a sound captcha, if we can find one. > > > > > > Noble, Stephen writes: > > > Hi Janina, > > > > > > I think a few choice examples could be useful for some readers, and would > > > not detract from textual discussion. That may also be true for an example > > > of an audio CAPTCHA, although it might be simpler to include a link to an > > > external site somewhere that has such examples. > > > > > > So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow > > > things down and require yet another CfC after the additions? > > > > > > --Steve > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:30 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, Steve, All: > > > > > > > > > > > > Below are some images that may, or may not help us make our points in > > > > the CAPTCHA document. Setting aside for the moment the process problem > > > > that we're currently in the midst of a CfC, do these add materially to > > > > our argument? > > > > > > > > In other words should we incorporate these images, any of them? If so, > > > > Steve, can you help figure out where in the document. > > > > > > > > If RQTF believes adding illustrations of our points helps our case, I > > > > will figure out how to manage the process problem. I should note that I > > > > did ask Jennie about possibly illustrating CAPTCHA with images that > > were > > > > licensed in way that would allow us to use them. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) writes: > > > > > Hi Janina, > > > > > Sorry for the delay getting to you. It appears that my contacts here > > are > > > > quite busy with other tasks, so I did a bit of digging on the internet. > > > > > There are images of CAPTCHAs with Creative Commons licenses that are > > > > extremely liberal, and these may be useful to include if still > > possible. > > > > Hopefully they help. > > > > > > > > > > There is one on flickr posted by the Wufoo Team (at least that is the > > > > name on the flickr account and the CAPTCHA image has their name on it). > > > > Here is the link: > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_wufoo_3683064794&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=KZHk6WWEzguXOnjw9Q_XuT0bgf0bzgTNA42K8O5Ivis&e= > > > > > The text on the image says: > > > > > WUFOO > > > > > Tell Us > > > > > But not too fast! > > > > > Who's your favorite Ninja Turtle? > > > > > (radio buttons, first one selected) > > > > > Leonardo > > > > > Raphael > > > > > Donatello > > > > > Michaelangelo > > > > > Type the two words in the image below.* > > > > > (Words with strike through and wavy presentation) Ministry Tried; > > then > > > > text field. > > > > > Recaptcha with refresh button, audio button, help button, stop spam, > > > > read books. > > > > > Submit button. > > > > > > > > > > There is also one that is kind of interesting in terms of puzzle > > type of > > > > CAPTCHA. > > > > > It is on Wikimedia Commons, and has a liberal reuse license as well. > > > > Here is the link: > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__commons.wikimedia.org_wiki_File-3ATranslate-5Fregistration-5Fprocess-5Fcaptcha-5Fwireframe.png&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=PTipcmiC_yFS0qRwjLoScR4WpqkNf-nBDH3w-5_mOZM&e= > > > > > The text on the image says: > > > > > Thank you beta_tester, you are almost a translator! > > > > > You can make your first translation now to activate your account: > > > > > (can't tell how this is structured in the HMTL, but boxes around the > > > > next text) > > > > > Text to translate (next box) Empty string (button?) Try another > > > > (includes refresh symbol) > > > > > What's this text? Reason for account deletion > > > > > (next part looks like a 4 x 1 table) > > > > > Select the correct translation for French (drop down arrow) > > > > > (check mark) Chaine vide > > > > > Text vide > > > > > (text box, help text) Propose a different translation > > > > > (button) Activate account > > > > > > > > > > Excellent visual example that may cause challenges for those with > > > > reading disabilities on Wikipedia.. > > > > > Letters smwm that are squished, varying heights, in almost cursive > > > > looking font, all lower case. > > > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__de.wikipedia.org_wiki_Datei-3ACaptcha-2Dsmwm.svg&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=VTlRzid2alVu4CvG4_zrhoCKb3CcXRdzmKF0JgEtNsc&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jennie > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:28 PM > > > > > To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us> > > > > > Subject: yet another delay in CAPTCHA > > > > > > > > > > This message may be from an external email source. > > > > > Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all > > > > suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Jennie: > > > > > > > > > > Just keeping you updated on current status. > > > > > > > > > > As per the attached list email, a close read of the entire document > > over > > > > the weekend disclosed a flaw we want to fix in Federated Identities > > and in > > > > Single Sign-On. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What that means is another short delay to Wednesday early AM. If the > > > > RQTF call believes the draft as of Wednesday AM is ready, we'll move > > to a > > > > CfC in APA, but not sooner. > > > > > > > > > > So, still time for COGA tweaks! > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Janina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka > > > > > > > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fa11y.org-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cjennie.delisi-2540state.mn.us-257C9e16779bd1b0493a119308d6f359df5c-257Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c-257C0-257C0-257C636963964657059398-26amp-3Bsdata-3DGORHbhvBU-252BlZ2wwDuJwUBvxt7heNJlfzHs4P7V5pEKw-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=Q5f9nT48veGUrSRshtnk_LnPn6ru4Ly7kiWt2l7XxY8&e= > > > > > > > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative > > (WAI) > > > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-252Fwww.w3.org-252Fwai-252Fapa-26amp-3Bdata-3D02-257C01-257Cjennie.delisi-2540state.mn.us-257C9e16779bd1b0493a119308d6f359df5c-257Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c-257C0-257C0-257C636963964657059398-26amp-3Bsdata-3DOdE4kUUd74cmtceHnP98eSDc1VeErLF7ZXgXH3eBQ6M-253D-26amp-3Breserved-3D0&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=T6CWqyUN1_YHusRjfFI9EFIr8ZYoQfDX7tEKsUiXdVk&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka > > > > > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=sjrWXcObiEtvU_jw8jTrv5yCV_IRVdhaQVWArK0Z47g&e= > > > > > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=L7sXmp-jCQOGyxUzMd-Sxj_vbwByVJF19Uzh1eXfDj8&e= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Steve Noble > > > Instructional Designer, Accessibility > > > Psychometrics & Testing Services > > > > > > *Pearson* > > > > > > 502 969 3088 > > > steve.noble@pearson.com > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=Z3wQUB6xsEwTnTrLy56fIio3VtfW7QmvmurusmWdaiE&s=7RTR-iNgR_CsK5lKmD-FZ8x8Z7c_qihH5XruhcyY1kU&e= > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=Z3wQUB6xsEwTnTrLy56fIio3VtfW7QmvmurusmWdaiE&s=O7vddJ_9L_SaU14l8GYkEw_ah-oZiDOkxck6blKvMjo&e= > > > > > > -- > > > Steve Noble > Instructional Designer, Accessibility > Psychometrics & Testing Services > > *Pearson* > > 502 969 3088 > steve.noble@pearson.com -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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