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Re: CAPTCHA: Should we illustrate our document?

From: Noble, Stephen <steve.noble@pearson.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:25:10 -0400
Message-ID: <CAA6F_xmoxnOHqGhNZ3Es+wJGWscoviZFiwGCdR-khc3X+LC3dg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Cc: RQTF <public-rqtf@w3.org>
Hi Janina,

I looked over the samples available at the three links that Jennie
mentioned. I think including a slight altered version of one of them would
be good. I have attached the image and edited the alt text slightly. In the
case of this image, cropping it to focus only on the captcha itself seemed
the best to promote clarity, since the surrounding text would be
extraneous. Such modifications are allowed under the Creative Commons
license. Here are the pertinent details:
Filename: distorted-characters-recaptcha-v1.png
Place this in section 2.1.1 Traditional Character-Based CAPTCHA, between
the first and second paragraph

Alt text: "Type the two words in the image below.*" | Words with strike
through and wavy presentation: "Ministry Tried" | then a text field |
Recaptcha trademark with refresh button, audio button, help button, and the
words: "stop spam, read books" | then a final Submit button
URI for original source:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wufoo/3683064794/in/photostream/
URI to Creative Commons licence:
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/legalcode
Other required notice: This graphic is a derivative work. It has been
cropped to remove extraneous material.

Finding graphics under Creative Commons to help illustrate other types of
CAPTCHAs was something that proved elusive, despite spending a good amount
of time on it. There's a nice example of an image based ReCAPTCHA v.2 in
Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Images_Recaptcha.png  but
the page information mentions that it is a screenshot from a commercial
website protected under copyright, but that they believe that they can use
it under Fair Use. I don't know if that's a tactic that the W3C follows. If
not, then maybe we could just include a link to that page where this
example lives. If we used this image, then I would place it is section
2.1.4.1 Visual Comparison CAPTCHAs, between the first and second
paragraphs. The alt text for that image would be: "Select all images below
that match this one" | image of a cat | followed by 9 images including
cats, dogs, hamsters and plants | refresh button, audio button, information
button | then a final Verify button.

I did find an audio CAPTCHA recording available under a Creative Commons
license. I have attached the file, but for the life of me I cannot figure
out what the distorted speech is actually saying, so I don't know how we
can make it accessible to someone who is deaf, other than to say it is
garbled human speech. If we decide to use it, I would place it under
section 2.1.2 Sound Output, between the first and second paragraphs.
Here are the details:
Page URL: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Captcha.ogg
File URL: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Captcha.ogg
Attribution: reCAPTCHA at Carnegie Mellon University [<a href="
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0">CC BY 3.0</a>], <a href="
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Captcha.ogg">via Wikimedia
Commons</a>

I hope this will be helpful.

--Steve


On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:19 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:

> Hi, Steve:
>
> As I continue to mull the process implications, I'm now thinking this is
> editorial in the extreme, so arguably no impact on our CfC.  We're not
> changing the substance of what we say, just amplifying how we say things.
> But, I'll
> check with Michael.
>
> It would be good to get these images into the Editor's Draft, which will
> be the basis of the document we publish for wide review. The Editor's
> Draft is already newer than the draft pointed to by the CfC because we
> merged your bibliographic references this morning.
>
> If you have the time to suggest where in the text we might stick any of
> the images that Jennie suggests, I can add them. Also, any other image
> or aural files you might want to suggest would be OK--we just need to be
> careful of the copyright.
>
> Thanks for the quick response!
>
> Janina
>
> PS: I like the notion of pointing to a sound captcha, if we can find one.
>
>
> Noble, Stephen writes:
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > I think a few choice examples could be useful for some readers, and would
> > not detract from textual discussion. That may also be true for an example
> > of an audio CAPTCHA, although it might be simpler to include a link to an
> > external site somewhere that has such examples.
> >
> > So, how would adding such examples impact the current CfC? Does that slow
> > things down and require yet another CfC after the additions?
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:30 AM Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Steve, All:
> > >
> > >
> > > Below are some images that may, or may not help us make our points in
> > > the CAPTCHA document. Setting aside for the moment the process problem
> > > that we're currently in the midst of a CfC, do these add materially to
> > > our argument?
> > >
> > > In other words should we incorporate these images, any of them? If so,
> > > Steve, can you help figure out where in the document.
> > >
> > > If RQTF believes adding illustrations of our points helps our case, I
> > > will figure out how to manage the process problem. I should note that I
> > > did ask Jennie about possibly illustrating CAPTCHA with images that
> were
> > > licensed in way that would allow us to use them.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) writes:
> > > > Hi Janina,
> > > > Sorry for the delay getting to you. It appears that my contacts here
> are
> > > quite busy with other tasks, so I did a bit of digging on the internet.
> > > > There are images of CAPTCHAs with Creative Commons licenses that are
> > > extremely liberal, and these may be useful to include if still
> possible.
> > > Hopefully they help.
> > > >
> > > > There is one on flickr posted by the Wufoo Team (at least that is the
> > > name on the flickr account and the CAPTCHA image has their name on it).
> > > Here is the link:
> > >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.flickr.com_photos_wufoo_3683064794&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=KZHk6WWEzguXOnjw9Q_XuT0bgf0bzgTNA42K8O5Ivis&e=
> > > > The text on the image says:
> > > > WUFOO
> > > > Tell Us
> > > > But not too fast!
> > > > Who's your favorite Ninja Turtle?
> > > > (radio buttons, first one selected)
> > > > Leonardo
> > > > Raphael
> > > > Donatello
> > > > Michaelangelo
> > > > Type the two words in the image below.*
> > > > (Words with strike through and wavy presentation) Ministry Tried;
> then
> > > text field.
> > > > Recaptcha with refresh button, audio button, help button, stop spam,
> > > read books.
> > > > Submit button.
> > > >
> > > > There is also one that is kind of interesting in terms of puzzle
> type of
> > > CAPTCHA.
> > > > It is on Wikimedia Commons, and has a liberal reuse license as well.
> > > Here is the link:
> > >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__commons.wikimedia.org_wiki_File-3ATranslate-5Fregistration-5Fprocess-5Fcaptcha-5Fwireframe.png&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=PTipcmiC_yFS0qRwjLoScR4WpqkNf-nBDH3w-5_mOZM&e=
> > > > The text on the image says:
> > > > Thank you beta_tester, you are almost a translator!
> > > > You can make your first translation now to activate your account:
> > > > (can't tell how this is structured in the HMTL, but boxes around the
> > > next text)
> > > > Text to translate (next box) Empty string (button?) Try another
> > > (includes refresh symbol)
> > > > What's this text? Reason for account deletion
> > > > (next part looks like a 4 x 1 table)
> > > > Select the correct translation for French (drop down arrow)
> > > > (check mark) Chaine vide
> > > > Text vide
> > > > (text box, help text) Propose a different translation
> > > > (button) Activate account
> > > >
> > > > Excellent visual example that may cause challenges for those with
> > > reading disabilities on Wikipedia..
> > > > Letters smwm that are squished, varying heights, in almost cursive
> > > looking font, all lower case.
> > > >
> > >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__de.wikipedia.org_wiki_Datei-3ACaptcha-2Dsmwm.svg&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=VTlRzid2alVu4CvG4_zrhoCKb3CcXRdzmKF0JgEtNsc&e=
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jennie
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:28 PM
> > > > To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>
> > > > Subject: yet another delay in CAPTCHA
> > > >
> > > > This message may be from an external email source.
> > > > Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
> > > suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Jennie:
> > > >
> > > > Just keeping you updated on current status.
> > > >
> > > > As per the attached list email, a close read of the entire document
> over
> > > the weekend disclosed a flaw we want to fix in Federated Identities
> and in
> > > Single Sign-On.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What that means is another short delay to Wednesday early AM. If the
> > > RQTF call believes the draft as of Wednesday AM is ready, we'll move
> to a
> > > CfC in APA, but not sooner.
> > > >
> > > > So, still time for COGA tweaks!
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Janina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka
> > > >
> > > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> > >
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> > > >
> > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative
> (WAI)
> > > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka
> > >
> > > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> > >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=T2vXwnPiJ_d49tp8AEMGYo9RfSSnAjhbluw4zf0oPPY&s=sjrWXcObiEtvU_jw8jTrv5yCV_IRVdhaQVWArK0Z47g&e=
> > >
> > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Steve Noble
> > Instructional Designer, Accessibility
> > Psychometrics & Testing Services
> >
> > *Pearson*
> >
> > 502 969 3088
> > steve.noble@pearson.com
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
>
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__a11y.org&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=Z3wQUB6xsEwTnTrLy56fIio3VtfW7QmvmurusmWdaiE&s=7RTR-iNgR_CsK5lKmD-FZ8x8Z7c_qihH5XruhcyY1kU&e=
>
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_wai_apa&d=DwIBAg&c=0YLnzTkWOdJlub_y7qAx8Q&r=e0Vlq1-H9s-GydHZ8dXqhyYdB-jv9NvThaezSlozh9I&m=Z3wQUB6xsEwTnTrLy56fIio3VtfW7QmvmurusmWdaiE&s=O7vddJ_9L_SaU14l8GYkEw_ah-oZiDOkxck6blKvMjo&e=
>
>

-- 


Steve Noble
Instructional Designer, Accessibility
Psychometrics & Testing Services

*Pearson*

502 969 3088
steve.noble@pearson.com

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