Re: ISSUE-24: Proposal for dealing with case-insensitive terms in the XHTML vocabulary

2010/7/14 Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>

>  That's not really what I meant.  More that the polyglot document is
> incomplete w.r.t. attribute values.  It oversimplifies the case.  I am sure
> that it will get sorted out in due course.  However, with regard to TERMs
> from a specific vocabulary - that is, values of @rel, @rev, and some other
> attributes and that match the production NCName, we are committed to
> ensuring that the requirements of RDFa and HTML5 are consistent with one
> another.
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> At least, that's my belief right now.  The Working Group could come up with
> some other approach as well.
>

Understand, thanks for the explanation.

Felix


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> On 7/14/2010 10:07 AM, Felix Sasaki wrote:
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> 2010/7/14 Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
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> I believe this definition is consistent with that one for values without
> colons (non-CURIEs, or TERMs in RDFa Core 1.1).  For values with colons, we
> disagree that values of rel are always lower case since mixed case is
> essential for supporting our use cases, as well as supporting other uses.
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> So polyglot markup is not meant to be relevant for the CURIE use case? Just
> trying to understand.
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> Felix
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> On 7/14/2010 9:50 AM, Felix Sasaki wrote:
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> Sorry for lurcking, a clarification question ...
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> 2010/7/14 Toby Inkster <tai@g5n.co.uk>
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> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:01:52 -0500
> Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote:
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> > In XHTML+RDFa 1.1 we should say:
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> >     When referencing TERMs in the vocabulary at
> >     http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab, TERMs must be mapped to lower
> > case.
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>  Does this also cover the case of the empty prefix? According to my
> reading of XHTML+RDFa 1.0, given the following:
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>        rel="Next"
>        rel=":Next"
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> The first is mapped to lower-case; the second is treated
> case-sensitively. This is because the former is a term and the latter
> is a CURIE.
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> At http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html-polyglot-20100624/#attribute-values ,
> values of "rel" are described as always lower case. How does that (does it
> at all?) relate to what you describe above?
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> Thanks for the clarification in advance,
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> Felix
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> I suggest we retain this distinction, as there do exist mixed-case
> terms defined in the XHTML vocabulary (though they're not used by RDFa
> currently).
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> Ivan wrote:
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> > 2. in RDFa+XHTML (and I presume in RDFa+HTML5) there is a a default
> > @vocab, namely http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab# and, if this is the
> > one in effect, then terms are interpreted in a case insensitive way,
> > ie, terms must be mapped on lower case.
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>  Personally I'd ditch that too -- you get too many junk results. Better
> to say that the default vocabulary in (X)HTML+RDFa is null.
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> Otherwise you'll end up with having to deal with rel values from
> Microformats, etc. The problem with that it that Microformats have
> their own ways of determining what the "subject" is for a rel; applying
> RDF's @about/@src/chaining rules doesn't work well.
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> To handle the case of rel="next", rel="prev", etc define a default
> *profile* for XHTML+RDFa, and have that profile define those terms
> case-insensitively. (The profile SHOULD be hard-coded in XHTML+RDFa
> parsers; authors MAY include an explicit @profile attribute referencing
> the default profile.)
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> This means that parsers need to internally allow profiles to define
> both case-sensitive and case-insensitive terms, though we may decide
> not that profiles other than the XHTML vocab are not privileged to
> declare case-insensitive terms.
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> This solution allows us to pick up "our" @rel terms but skim safely
> over the @rel terms used by Microformats, Javascript libraries, etc.
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> <http://tobyinkster.co.uk>
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