- From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:19:59 -0500
- To: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Cc: public-rdf-wg <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:30 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
> Here's some revised wording for the proposal, getting a bit closer to
> spec text. It's still somewhat informal, and mixing normative and
> non-normative bits, and best-practice. And it's not as clear as it
> should be about handling change over time.
>
> -- Sandro
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> A dataset D is true
You have to say, true in an interpretation, and modify the rest of the phrases accordingly.
> iff (1) its default graph is true and (2) for
> every pair of <N,G> in D, N names something (a "resource", sometimes
> called a "g-box") which, at every time T in R, has G as its current
> state.
What is R?
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> It follows from AWWW that if N is an IRI which can be dereferenced,
> a successful, correct dereference of N at any time T in R must yield
> a serialization ("representation") of G.
No, that does not follow. There is no immediate connection between being a name of something and dereferencing to something. If we want this relationship, we have to state it explicitly. Also, you have stated this using a modality ("can be") which opens up a huge can of worms. (What if it could be dereferenced but never, in fact, was? Did it name the graph under those circumstances?) I would strongly suggest that we avoid this kind of language.
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> In order to know whether a dereference occurs at a time in R, it is
> useful to have R declared in the default graph of D, or in another
> nearby, easy-to-find data source. Where possible, is is helpful to
> have R be All Time; that is, having N name a resource whose state,
> by definition, never changes.
Why is that the same condition? Surely this begs the question of whether or not G can change. (?)
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> In RDF data, N may be used (1) directly, to name the g-box,
> expressing things like the license that applies to its state, or who
> controls it; and (2) indirectly, to refer to G as the current state
> of the g-box.
How are these two uses distinguished? There is currently no provision for this kind of indirection in the RDF semantics.
> Indirect reference can be used to express things
> about an RDF Graph (a "g-snap"), like that it was the graph some
> entity asserted at some time. Indirection is done in the semantics
> of the predicates with which N is used.
?? It is? How?
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> When N is used indirectly, the reference to G only holds inside time
> range R, of course. Care must be taken not to use N as if it
> necessarily referred to G, outside of R. Since R is defined to be
> the same for all elements of D, indirect reference is safe in the
> default graph.
How does time-dependent reference work in the semantics? (Or is that my job to figure out? If so, I can tell you now it will be a major change, which will require rewriting the OWL and RIF standards, among others.)
Pat
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