- From: Michael Hausenblas <michael.hausenblas@deri.org>
- Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:21:18 +0000
- To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, RDF Working Group <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
> What I am trying to find is the sweet spot that would create a > bridge between them and those Web Application Developers who do not > know RDF or, worse, who are averse to RDF because they see it as too > complex, researchy, etc (I think we all met these various memes > around that). Doesn't that mean that to please those a JSON/RDF must > be damn simple (even if it does not cover the whole of RDF), and > maybe also include shorthands to make it even simpler (eg, default > subjects to see only property value pairs, etc). At first glance > this hints at something like the 's', 'p', 'o' format of Andy with > some defaults here and there... > > Put it another way, I am not sure our goal is to build a JSON > serialization that would compete with Turtle. Only with N-Triples... +1 I think you have a very valid point, here. I came up with a proposal, called JTriples [1] - not pretty, still some open issues (re literals) but might serve as a basis for exploration. Cheers, Michael [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/JTriples -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway Ireland, Europe Tel. +353 91 495730 http://linkeddata.deri.ie/ http://sw-app.org/about.html On 7 Mar 2011, at 12:13, Ivan Herman wrote: > I have a slightly more general requirement, and I miss these in the > various items below. > > I believe the reason of doing JSON/RDF is not to please the > application developers who already know and are happy to use RDF. > After all, for those, whether using Turtle or JSON as a > serialization does not really mean a difference: it is all just text. > > What I am trying to find is the sweet spot that would create a > bridge between them and those Web Application Developers who do not > know RDF or, worse, who are averse to RDF because they see it as too > complex, researchy, etc (I think we all met these various memes > around that). Doesn't that mean that to please those a JSON/RDF must > be damn simple (even if it does not cover the whole of RDF), and > maybe also include shorthands to make it even simpler (eg, default > subjects to see only property value pairs, etc). At first glance > this hints at something like the 's', 'p', 'o' format of Andy with > some defaults here and there... > > Put it another way, I am not sure our goal is to build a JSON > serialization that would compete with Turtle. Only with N-Triples... > > Ivan > > > On Mar 6, 2011, at 21:46 , Manu Sporny wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I have ACTION-16[1], which is to effectively summarize positions on >> RDF >> in JSON in an attempt to figure out the starting document for the >> JSON >> work. While attempting to summarize positions, I realized very >> quickly >> that not everyone in the Task Force had responded and even when they >> did, I found it difficult to tease the nuances out of their >> statements. >> >> So, instead I've placed a quick survey up on the wiki. I hope that >> this >> will be more accurate than attempting to summarize positions (and >> inevitably getting someones position wrong). >> >> I have already sent this link out to the RDF WG JSON TF (acronym >> c-c-c-combo!) >> >> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON#RDF_in_JSON_Design_Requirements >> >> If you are not in the JSON TF but would like to express your >> position, >> please do so by following the link above and noting your preferences >> under the section titled "RDF in JSON Design Requirements". >> >> -- manu >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/16 >> >> -- >> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny) >> President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. >> blog: Towards Universal Web Commerce >> http://digitalbazaar.com/2011/01/31/web-commerce/ >> > > > ---- > Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead > Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ > mobile: +31-641044153 > PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html > FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf > > > > >
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