- From: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
- Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:05:07 +0100
- To: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
- Cc: RDF Working Group WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>, RDF Working Group Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>
On 2011-04-08, at 09:28, Dan Brickley wrote: > On 8 April 2011 00:04, RDF Working Group Issue Tracker > <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote: >> >> RDF-ISSUE-24 (Deprecate Containers): Should we deprecate RDF containers (Alt, Bag, Seq)? [Cleanup tasks] >> >> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/24 >> >> Raised by: Sandro Hawke >> On product: Cleanup tasks >> >> The RDF 1999 and 2004 Recommendations include vocabulary and syntax >> (in RDF/XML) for RDF "containers", Alt, Bag, and Seq. >> >> Although these features are being used, such as in rss 0.91, some experts >> advise data providers to avoid them. > > That's RSS 1.0 - http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/ > > Can we avoid what Wikipedia call 'weasel words'? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(words_to_watch)#Unsupported_attributions > "... some people say, it is believed, many are of the opinion, most > feel, experts declare, it is often reported, it is widely thought, > research has shown, science says, it was proven ..." > > It's worth citing the critique(s) explicitly. "Some experts" in this > community can be found to say more or less anything! > > Containers are certainly a nuisance to process (as are lists) in RDF. > Not because of the inherent awfulness of the design, but because > representing ordering in a fact-based system is inherently difficult, > especially when we restrict to binary relations. > > To my mind, rdf:Alt is worthless and barely coherent. rdf:Bag is almost as bad. > > rdf:Seq does have some merit, and some serious 'in the wild' usage. Agreed. While far from perfect, in some situations it's preferable to RDF Lists. - Steve -- Steve Harris, CTO, Garlik Limited 1-3 Halford Road, Richmond, TW10 6AW, UK +44 20 8439 8203 http://www.garlik.com/ Registered in England and Wales 535 7233 VAT # 849 0517 11 Registered office: Thames House, Portsmouth Road, Esher, Surrey, KT10 9AD
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