Re: simple fix

Sandro Hawke wrote:
>> Sandro Hawke wrote:
>>> Can't we just say, as strongly as we need to, that rdf:text is NOT for
>>> use in RDF?  Instead it is for use in *non-RDF* systems which use XML
>>> datatypes and want interoperability with RDF's language-tagged literals?
>>>
>>> I know that hasn't been made very clear, to date.   New title:
>>>
>>>   rdf:text -- an equivalent to RDF Plain Literals for non-RDF systems
>>>
>>> We can be more precise about this in the body -- I like Dave Reynold's
>>> description of how RIF is not an RDF system, but is still compatible --
>>> but mostly this just seems like a PR problem.
>>>
>>> I think there's also an open question of whether to allow empty language
>>> tags, and whether RDF plain literals without language tags should be
>>> mapped to xs:strings instead of rdf:text, but I bet we can solve those a
>>> lot more easily after we're clear about rdf:text's place in the world.
>>>
>>>        -- Sandro
>> All,
>>
>> I am personally fine with this and/or Andy's suggested wording:
>> Maybe doing both the title change and adding the respective paragraph is 
>> no harm...
>>
>> One last proposal (if you think changing this is at all feasible):
>>
>> Wouldn't it make things MUCH clearer than if we change the name to the 
>> datatype to just
>>
>>     rdf:PlainLiteral
>>
>> I have the feeling that with that name the intention is much clearer 
>> than rdf:text and somewhat it even "hints" why it is not a good idea to 
>> use it in RDF systems, since in RDF systems there is already a unique 
>> standard syntax  for plain literals.
> 
> +0.5 I like the idea, but I hesitate because in speech "RDF Plain
> Literal" and "rdf:PlainLiteral" are likely to sound the same, 

That was the idea...

> and that
> may lead to some confusion.

... probably we should disallow rdf:PlainLiteral to leak out to speech 
as well :-D ... Seriously, I would consider this overlap a big issue but 
more a clarifying advantage, since the datatype and its' purpose became 
self-speaking.

Axel

>      -- Sandro
> 
> 
>> E.g. (modifying Andy's proposed text accordinglt:)
>> """
>> Systems that employ SPARQL with entailment regimes that cover 
>> D-entailment of rdf:PlainLiteral, MUST expose their results in the RDF 
>> forms.  This condition is met when the scoping graph contains literals 
>> in the RDF forms plain literals and xsd:string and does not mention 
>> rdf:PlainLiteral as a datatype.
>> """
>>
>> Opinions?
>>
>> One thing I am not sure still: It was pointed out that we cannot prevent 
>> people from writing graphs using rdf:text as a datatype explicitly.
>> Is that a problem?
>>
>> Axel
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Dr. Axel Polleres
>> Digital Enterprise Research Institute, National University of Ireland, 
>> Galway
>> email: axel.polleres@deri.org  url: http://www.polleres.net/


-- 
Dr. Axel Polleres
Digital Enterprise Research Institute, National University of Ireland, 
Galway
email: axel.polleres@deri.org  url: http://www.polleres.net/

Received on Friday, 22 May 2009 00:10:24 UTC