Re: Enough already

For what it's worth I ought to say that claiming that "There is a very 
vocal minority (of one) holding this debate hostage" is from my point of 
view a mischaracterization.

If Peter was the only one to raise issues and those were considered minor 
by the WG it would hardly represent a hurdle. The reality is that most of 
Peter's issues resonate with some WG members and resolving them is more 
often anything but easy.

As Karen pointed out we're interested in implementation feedback. Are you 
implementing SHACL in your product? Can you please tell us more? How much 
do you support: Core, Full (Core+SPARQL)?

Thanks.
--
Arnaud  Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web & Blockchain 
Technologies - IBM Cloud


Terry Roach <troach@capsi.com.au> wrote on 12/10/2016 05:22:51 AM:

> From: Terry Roach <troach@capsi.com.au>
> To: public-rdf-shapes@w3.org
> Date: 12/10/2016 05:26 AM
> Subject: Enough already
> 
> If I may interject in this debate, this all seems quite bewildering to 
me.
> 
> I am a pragmatic, practitioner of semantic technologies;  is a mere 
> consumer of W3C standards. Our company builds products based on your
> ideas and so maybe I am not accustomed to how these things get 
> cooked up, but take a look at yourselves please. Somebody needs to 
> inject a dose of reality into this conversation.
> 
> We are very interested in the SHACL standard making it’s way through
> this process and becoming endorsed so that we can commit to it in 
> our products. There will be no better test of the value and 
> robustness of SHACL than the community of semantic developers 
> applying it in practice. 
> 
> No standard is born perfect, of course it will evolve and I expect 
> we will find issues that will surely be addressed as it matures. But
> it needs to get out of the door. 
> 
> Perfection is the enemy of innovation here.
> 
> If there are any substantive issues with the standard, then of 
> course robust debate is great, but that should be in the form of a 
> positive, constructive suggestions. I am just seeing myopic, 
> pedantic grandstanding here.
> 
> There is a very vocal minority (of one) holding this debate hostage 
> and it is a travesty that the enormous effort that has gone into 
> this piece of work is being held up in this way.
> 
> Enough already
> 
> Terry Roach 
> Chief Executive Officer
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